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  1. PoleFighter is offline

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    Half-guard vs full guard

    I'm just curious about if I am some kind of anomoly in the jiu jitsu game, as I prefer half guard to full guard. The reason is that I absolutely suck at submissions from the guard, I just can't seem to pull them off no matter how much I try (and I've been training for two years soon), unless my opponent is far less skilled than I and makes a mistake like just putting himself inside a triangle.

    I find that, in general, sweeping is far easier from half guard, to the point where the only reason I still use any guard but the half guard anymore is because I feel that I should in order to stay well rounded.

    What are your opinions on this?
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    Yes! I leafed through his book and I really liked what he had to say about half guard, but his style is considered unorthodox, no? Is this guy's technique considered bizarre by the rest of the jiu jitsu community?
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    "Step away," I hissed.
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    I try to be comfortable in both positions. I have used Eddie's olschool sweep a few times as well.
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    I do like two subs from half guard; mostly I like half guard to get to the back or get up..... I'm not a big half guard guy.

    Maybe I should go buy Bravo's book.....
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    Half guard can be a very aggressive sweeping guard. In MMA, it can also be a very "get your fucking face beaten in" guard.

    If you're dealing with strictly grappling, lots of top level guys go to half guard to work their sweep game. If you're dealing with MMA, lots of top level guys get pounded out trying to sweep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherdog
    Half guard can be a very aggressive sweeping guard. In MMA, it can also be a very "get your fucking face beaten in" guard.

    If you're dealing with strictly grappling, lots of top level guys go to half guard to work their sweep game. If you're dealing with MMA, lots of top level guys get pounded out trying to sweep.
    Yeah, it's not half guard when punches are involved; it's half mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    Someone needs to be introduced to Eddie Bravo.
    Shhhhhhhhhh, don't say that too loud!!!! The butt-scoot to half guard pull hits you when you least expect it....on the way to school, at the bus stop, in the shower, on the toilet....Bravo is crafty that way.

    But dito what everyone else said about becoming more well rounded. I SUCK at full mount control (me on top) so that is an area I have been trying to focus on lately in my positional game, keep working on your guard.
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    yeah I agree gaps in your game should be filled, not accentuated.

    I have been liking to sweep from half guard a lot these days.
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    Ya know it's funny, but when using the lockdown (from Bravo's book) I've been able to make some people tap by extending their leg outwards while stretching the calf muscle and putting pressure on the ankle. It's not reliable in the least, but it's a good way to take away their base before sweeping and if you get a lucky submission out of it, then hey :)
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