8/18/2006 7:24pm, #1
Reframming the discussion:Being in actual "real" fights prove you're a great fighter.
Okay the discussion was:
Originally Posted by Wong Fei Hong
So.... the discussion I would like to frame is this:
1) We all accept and agree that the heavier and more frequent your sparring the better off you are (your a "better" fighter). Well if you dont agree to this you can get flamed by somebody with alot more seinority around here than I.
Having been in more barfights than I can be proud of (because there is nothing praiseworthy about getting drunk and fighting with people you got no *real* beef with) I'd like to add some dimmessions to this:
In the many and varied opinions of the posters here what is the relative value of the following to each other and to someones overall experince:
1) 1 months training with light or no sparring
2) 1 months training with heavy/full contact sparring
3) 1 month in jail
4) 1 month in maximum secuirty prison
5) 1 month of police or military service (in a combat MOS)
6) 1 barfight
7) 1 streetfight with a competant sober opponent (streetfight meaning you get assraped/curbstomped/hospitalized etc ie its not over if your KO'd)
8) 1 "schoolyard" fight (ie its over when your KO'd or you cry "uncle" etc)
9) ACTIVE participation in a full scale riot
10) 1 Amature fight (including the training SPECIFICALLY for THAT fight)
11) 1 Proffessional fight (including the training SPECIFICALLY for THAT fight)
So please, discuss:
a) The relative value of each of these things TO EACH OTHER
b) The differences between these things that make training for them (where applicable) different from each other
c) feel free to add more catagoreies or questions or perspectives if you feel they better frame this.
Thanks for the consideration and (hopefully) input,
PS been having spotty access for a couple of months but for thoose (few ) of you who missed me: I'm back.
8/18/2006 11:14pm, #2
The best r34l training is being in jail, and having knife fights to the death with your left hand tied to your opponent's. This is because that's how it goes down in the stre3t, man.
The next best after that would be participation in a riot, obviously, because throwing bricks/molotov cocktails/tables and chairs replicates the brutal and dangerous reality of a str33t f1ght.
If you can't train either of the above, I suggest you kill yourself now, you will never be able to defend yourself in teh deadly real world.
8/18/2006 11:44pm, #3Originally Posted by RunningDog
just because its near goddamn 1 am and I'm tired and bored....
how do suggest training tossing cocktail chairs and tables?
is their a suggested technique?
a regulation weight?
a dojo that teaches it?
I keep trying it at home but I need a 3rd job to support the massive about of furniture I destroy practicing my table-as-shuriken justsu... an y suggestions?
in merry ole england where you are in participation in quaint little footbal riots contigent on the ability to pitch a table? or just a fit when your team looses?
8/18/2006 11:54pm, #4Originally Posted by Antifa
There is no regulation weight, but it's very important to train in an Alive manner.
when your team looses?
8/19/2006 1:07am, #5
This isn't really qualified very well. Fights in bars are no less dangerous than fights outside of bars.
The rioting thing is also kinda screw ball: rioter's don't really know what they are doing. They are just fucking **** up for no real reason because it's easier to get away with **** during total pandemoneum.A lie gets half-way around the world before the truth has time to get it's pants on. - Winston Churchhill
8/19/2006 8:14am, #6Originally Posted by RunningDog
A molotov made from a 40 is too heavy, doest fly right. the round apple juice bottles that martinelli used to make were far and away the best.
Martinelli Bottles > 16 longneck beer bottles > 40s
Never trained in an alive manner... But I did work in a recycling yard. kinda hard to train in an alive manner with an illegal explosive.
But I have used the damn things and... there needs to be a leap forward in their effectiveness... Their okay... but... not as effective as one might expect.
Originally Posted by RunningDog
8/19/2006 8:20am, #7Originally Posted by chris_ketchens
Gotta disagree with you on the second point. Cant count the number of riots I've been in (not easily at least) and sometimes, especially where the riot is related to sports, your dead on.
But where the riot is related to politics, your not so. Being as this is the one area where I can actually claim VAST experience, at political riots the the rioters (or a subset thereof) are often, but not always, trained for the event and/or cohereant and discilpined and have achieveable goals for the event.
BTW thought you lived in China. You move back to the USA?
8/19/2006 9:31am, #8Originally Posted by chris_ketchens
*although said bouncers may choose to apply a discretionary remedial kicking.
8/19/2006 9:42am, #9
- Join Date
- Jun 2006
- Salford, UK
bouncers; a lot of them substitute 'restrain and escort' with 'engage and destroy'.
8/19/2006 9:46am, #10Originally Posted by john joe