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  1. Emevas is offline
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    Yeah, I have a bad habit of chasing after punches with my hands, and with Peek a boo, I at least get used to having my hands plastered onto my face.

    It was also the stance I was first taught when I started boxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega
    The guard is designed to work with boxing gloves

    Although it may seem that way, Archie Moore's 'Dracula style' variation is an example of peek-a-boo which does not appear to rely so much on the boxing gloves. I'd definitely agree its current boxing evolution maximizes the use of the gloves, though.


    I actually live near Teddy Atlas and have run into him from time to time. Even though he's a Cus D'Amato protege, he doesn't appear to be a fan of peek-a-boo himself. It would be interesting to hear his perspective on this. If/when I have another chance, I'll ask him about it.
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    Does anyone else have an opinion on this?? Im really short compared to my partners and my coach taught me peek-a-boo. My thing is how will it effect my Elbow strikes or kicks....most importantly will I be kicked in the head!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    Considering 'crazy monkey' is essentially 'Peek-a-boo-but-we-don't-want-to-give-credit-to-Cus-D'amato-because-he-doesn't-have-the-real-MMA', there probably is a chance there is a decent amount of crossover.

    :smile:
    I must be confused. I thought peek-a-boo was arms parallel to the ground? Wheras the crazy monkey is just a tight double cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical View Post
    I must be confused. I thought peek-a-boo was arms parallel to the ground? Wheras the crazy monkey is just a tight double cover.
    Nope, Tyson explains:
    YouTube - Mike Tyson peek a boo style unseen training lesson

    Peek-a-boo tends to mean gloves on the chin, the hands are much lower down than in a Crazy Monkey-style cover where they're all the way on top of the head and the elbows are in front of your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless View Post
    The guard is designed to work with boxing gloves, not MMA.
    Yeah that pretty much sums it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kambei Shimada View Post
    Yeah that pretty much sums it up.

    That's pretty much nonsense. The guard is designed so that everything is tight and comes off the chin, it has nothing to do with boxing gloves. Boxing gloves make shelling up more effective, but keeping a tight guard is good strategy for any fighter that likes to get in close and throw tight punches. Personally I favor a more bladed stance with the lead shoulder covering the chin, but I don't fight like Tyson. Tyson's style of boxing would work fantastically for MMA.
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    I prefer it in boxing gloves... Doesn't act well as a face shield without the larger glove acting as padding. Then again my (ex-) boxing coach was a big fan and one of the old school peek-a-boo guys. Nothing else was acceptable. My Muaythai coach is different and enjoys punching your hands into your face if you use it too much.

    I guess, close up while ducking and weaving it's OK, but in Muaythai better to make space, avoid the knee or (altogether now!) clinch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tideliar View Post
    I prefer it in boxing gloves... Doesn't act well as a face shield without the larger glove acting as padding. Then again my (ex-) boxing coach was a big fan and one of the old school peek-a-boo guys. Nothing else was acceptable. My Muaythai coach is different and enjoys punching your hands into your face if you use it too much.

    I guess, close up while ducking and weaving it's OK, but in Muaythai better to make space, avoid the knee or (altogether now!) clinch!
    The purpose of the tight guard isn't a "face shield", it's so that your fists are in a good position for tight boxing. Also, if your defense is simply to put your gloves in front of your face and hope for the best, you need to learn some actual defense.

    For someone that has an aggressive, explosive boxing style, this kind of guard can work just fine, yes even in muaythai. Someone with strong infighting boxing skills can be a menace, even to someone that throws knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfcritical View Post
    I must be confused. I thought peek-a-boo was arms parallel to the ground? Wheras the crazy monkey is just a tight double cover.
    "Arms parallel to the ground" is a description of the shape of Archie Moore's 'Dracula style' peek-a-boo variation.

    Crazy monkey/peek-a-boo is more than just covering up and/or performing brush backs. It is an engagement and infighting strategy. IMO, It's more offense than defense. FWIW, I agree with Kidspatula.


    And, for the record, I haven't bumped into Teddy Atlas since a month before the post were I dropped his name. Pity.
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