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  1. eyebeams is offline

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    9/26/2006 8:39am


     Style: Kickboxing/Grappling

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    One of the styles I practice does use the roundkick, but it only appears openly in one set. It is, however, one of the drills and the kick in the form is a bit more specialized than the standard roundkick.

    Lots of techniques like this are not recorded in forms, but are part of drills. It's like ye olde horse stance punch*: It's not in any form, but it's hardly foreign to the art.

    Lost Track has three roundkicks that I'm aware of:

    1) One is hidden and come from shifting sides in a stance. In this kick, the foot hardly comes off the ground at all and plants in front when it's done. It usually hits the outer thigh.

    2) One is drilled along with a leg grab; it usually hist the inside of the supporting leg.

    3) One is a bit more truncated, kind of between a snappy kick and a full blown roundhouse. Instead of retracting the leg you pull it down and back, so it moves in a short oval.

    In Lost Track and many CMAs, the sparring custom is to start with crossed hands, so it's not very common to move back and forth to pick the shot. You're already in punching distance, so any kick you're going to throw can't compromise the hands.

    Now Karate comes from a bunch of Southern styles and they also think of fihting as something that's only "really" happening in punching range. A good roundkick usually takes at least one "beat" of its own in a sequence of movements, so I can see it being dropped completely in favour of techniques that let you engage the hands more freely.

    That said, Chotoku Kyan was supposed to be a kicking specialist and was said to use a bunch of kicks that don't appear in kata either, so you never know. Funakoshi's practice was very centered in kata, though, so he might not have adopted these less "formal" methods.

    * Well, it should be a bow to bow punch with shifting feet, but it got truncated in Okinawa at some point.
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    9/26/2006 10:28am


     Style: Savate

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    If I remember correctly Michael Casseauxīs book about savate in 1830īs contained roundkick. According Dan Duby, old savate roundkick was more whipping motion from side, than current BF style kick.

    This may not be from the book, but itīs from 19th-century.
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     Style: Muay Thai

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    they stole it from muay thai (badly)
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     Style: Muay Thai (BJJ hiatus)

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    Muay Thai has been doing it for a at least a few hundred years. It's quite a natural movement and you'll see even untrained fighters use it.
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    9/27/2006 5:41am


     Style: Savate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex
    they stole it from muay thai (badly)
    Yes, but the crime is old, so you canīt sue. So booyah.:new_uklia
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    Posted On:
    9/27/2006 11:51am


     Style: savate

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    If they did steal it, they sure didn't learn to generate the power in the same way. The Fouette (little whip) used to be referred to as a "hammer" instead... but even positing that there'd be similarity to (chausson-similar) martello, it's a significantly more sophisticated kick than the MT roundhouse that derives its power from a totally different body motion.

    /no, I didn't put it in my style field. I just did my wine-glass test on Monday, so sue me... ;)
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     Style: Savate

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    Well, you know the Frenchies. Never get anything right.

    Off topic a bit: Donīt happen to know Perry King, Happycrow?
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     Style: savate

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    Nope. Never heard of the guy. But I don't get out much. Should I have?
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    9/27/2006 8:56pm


     Style: Muay Thai, RBSD Concepts

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    Quote Originally Posted by ojgsxr6
    So if the roundkick was only added relatively recently to Japanese/Okinowan Martial Arts, where did it come from?
    If you mean what other style did it come from , who can say, I dont think that it will ever be known. close range warfare has been around longer than written records, and word of mouth just doesnt cut it.
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    9/28/2006 3:33am


     Style: Savate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happycrow
    Nope. Never heard of the guy. But I don't get out much. Should I have?
    He teaches Savate in Texas, so I though you might have. Austin if I remember correctly.
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