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  1. Greese is offline
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    You know, I always hear TKD types say "Grappeling sucks against multiple attackers." However, what I have seen they can not even beat one (in the ring or otherwise). Fights land on the ground. Most of the time, it is not a matter of choice, and the berson that does bjj will survive. Also, you say that MT is abd in self defense, however, the main difference between TKD and MT in a fight, is MT works. Both encourage striking, so you are legally screwed either way.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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    this is a boring post so i didnt read it all i was yawning after the fist sentence from peewee
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    your points:
    1: TKD is good for self defense, not fighting
    2: BJJ and MT are not realistic for self-defense, but TKD is
    3: if you're untrained, you can beat trained people if you're a better fighter
    4: you have a HUGE (yet unbased) superiority complex
    5: you are not funny

    McDojo, I believe, has little to do with style. I don't believe in "McDojo Art" at all. If you are trained correctly and proficient in almost ANY art, you stand an exponentially better chance of defending yourself in an attack. You just have to know the limitations of your style. I have trained at 2 TKD schools, one a belt factory ATA school, and the other a small hole in the wall that had 5 belts and full-contact sparring most nights. A Green belt (which took around 2 years to obtain at this place) from that school would MURDER 90% of most TKD black belts. It all depends on training.


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    9/01/2002 7:36am


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    I'd like to go over a couple of points here.

    Number one: People aren't always attacked by multiple people. In a bar fight this is true, but you'll probably survive that even if you lose. What about a rape situation? I can't see a better art than BJJ for this (unless it's bjj + striking).

    Number two: Grappling is a good thing to have against multiple attackers. BJJ isn't necessarily the first thing you want to pull out of the can here, but I'd say some Judo/Wrestling might help you out. Fighting /is/ a balance game. Think about it... try backpeddling and throwing your hardest strike at the same time. Any stand up grappling will help you in this area. Also, what if you manage and of the standing joint locks. ie A spinning arm bar. If you break his arm in stand-up grappling, not only is he pretty much out of the game, it'll give his buddies some points to consider. And if you do get taken down? I'd trust my bjj to TKD (or even worse--no training).

    Number three: You bring up that point of saying that a street fighter can take out a sport fighter. Well, if the street fighter has put in the time then he should win. But if some piss drunk clown intends to fight someone who is trained to be stronger, faster, more skillful, more relaxed and more determined (traits I believe NHB develops). Well... good luck.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Also a great point. Whenever people hear "grappling" they tend to think that it means on the ground. Only a fool would pull guard on the street. Grappling has its place, but it encompasses standup as well as groundwork. At least with grappling training, you can put someone on the ground, and still have the skill to stay upright. Do not overlook this fact.

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    To summarize TKD, a friend of mine (who achieved a black belt and then left for JKD and BJJ) once said "I'm still waiting for a guy to ride by attacking me on a horse so I can use that stupid high kick I was graded on"

    The Oldschool is here....and I'm going to Rell in a Randbasket!
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    Yeah....but thats not REAL TKD......<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

    "Do not become entranced by impractical or useless movements. Do not be categorized as one who "Learns all there is to know about less and less until he ends up learning everything there is to know about nothing." -Ed Parker
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    Posted On:
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    "I think it is good for self defence because it gives you the basics in throwing a punch and such that the he average street thug may not know"

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    I got news for you, the average street thug can fight pretty damm good. They do it quite a bit, and have the agressive win at all costs adittude. Many of them HAVE a foundation from those Kiddie Karate programs you've been finding in the elemantary schools for the last 12 years or so.

    Many of them weight lift alot and are very strong. they practice fighting as much as they can, they LOVE it infact. Their status within thier social group is often based on how well they can fight against thier peers.

    So if you think the average "Thug" can't do anything, guess again, they can, and they love doing it too.

    Never underestimate the enemy (Thug)
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    Being a Belfast boy, I remember when we came to Canada and my father saying that the real good streetfighters in Belfast would beat most of the blackbelts in a streetfight.

    The Oldschool is here....and I'm going to Rell in a Randbasket!
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    a great man once said, "If you find yourself in a streetfight, get a roadmap to find the nearest exit"
    meaning, it doesn't matter if you studdy bjj, jjj,
    tkd,tsd, skf, jkd, xyz or do a ddt, if you are stupid enogh to wander into situation where you have to defend yourself, get ready to get a beating and be prepared to attempt to give one out.
    ive seen bjj and muy thi guys get their asses handed to them, and ive seen them hand someone their ass. but thats how it is,in a real fight, things will either go horrably wrong, or you'll both go to jail.

    breathing is the center, if your breathing is wrong then your body wil be messed up.
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