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  1. Carrera26 is offline

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    8/10/2006 12:33pm


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    Effectiveness of non-fist hand techniques

    All apologies if this is a dead horse, but I searched and did not find anything.

    Pretty simple, is anything besides a palm or closed hand (fist) strike useful? IE, knife-hand, "leopard" hand, fingertip srikes, ridge hand... etc.

    In working with the bag, I simply could never hit as hard or as effectively with one of these hand positions as with a fist or palm strike.

    Thoughts?
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    8/10/2006 12:39pm


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    Slapping people can be pretty effective.
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    Palm strikes can be usefull. You can't really break your hand doing palm strikes. But generally, if you're going to be fighting someone, you're probably going to be in too much of a panic too say "hey, I don't want to hurt myself...", especially if by punching you can get that extra inch of reach and power.
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    If you haven't seen Bas Rutten fighting in pancrase matches, do a search on YouTube or even here on Bullshido to see how effective a good palm strike to the face is.

    And I mean that in a good, ass kicking way.

    Ah, hell: here.
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    8/10/2006 1:18pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by sfe
    If you haven't seen Bas Rutten fighting in pancrase matches, do a search on YouTube or even here on Bullshido to see how effective a good palm strike to the face is.

    And I mean that in a good, ass kicking way.

    Ah, hell: here.
    Yep...that was my first thought...anybody who thinks an open hand can't hurt anybody, check out how Bas can even liver shot people with his palm and hurt them pretty bad...

    Hell, his palm strikes to Frank Shamrocks head were freaking brutal as hell. I think it may feel awkward and you may not have as much power because you've probably punched and trained punching 100X if not more than just palm strikes...as with any good technique, they have their time and place...
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    8/10/2006 1:31pm


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    Blade of the hand to the throat can be uncomfortable.
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    8/10/2006 1:45pm


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    Blade of the hand to the throat can be uncomfortable.
    Good call, and you can usually sneak that in a lot easier then a fist.

    Ridge hand to the sack is always a good way to go when your in close.
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    i've found i'm a lot more likely to hurt my wrists with open hand strikes than with proper punches. given that my preference is to hurt the other person rather than myself, i have developed a low regard for open handed striking relative to punching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pauli
    i've found i'm a lot more likely to hurt my wrists with open hand strikes than with proper punches. given that my preference is to hurt the other person rather than myself, i have developed a low regard for open handed striking relative to punching.
    Angle is important. Hit with the heel of the hand, along your 'power line'. If you're hitting so your hand stretches back you'll get hurt.
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    Personal/family anectode: My sister almost knocked out a guy who tried to grab her from behind using what I could best describe as a spinning open hand back slap to the face. Hmmm, maybe it was more a hammerfirst, I dunno. But I'm sure it was with the back of her hand.

    Anyways, she didn't knock him out, but he certainly stumbled on his knees and walked away holding his jaw in obvious pain. We had to ice her hand to treat the swelling, but despite the pain, she couldn't get rid of this smile that said "I clocked the ************."
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