Where to learn stand-up grappling?
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I train with a bouncer whose stand-up grappling is awesome. He's only trained in WT, but must have learnt extra technigues on the job. His speciality is to totally control people without going to ground himself.
What styles specifically teach this? It doesn't seem to be a strength of BJJ.
i vote for judo. even if you can't figure out how to lock them up standing, you can dump them on their heads.
and i *know* there's some good judo on the south coast of england.
(of course, most of the british judoka i know are also aikidoka, and are only too happy to put me in weird wristlocks at any opportunity. being judoka, they actually make them work.)
Last edited by pauli; 8/10/2006 12:08pm at .
Originally Posted by pauli
My BJJ school is held in a judo hall, I'll try it out for a few classes.
Judo, Greco-Roman wrestling, deadlifts.
Good point. The bouncer in question is 230lbs at least, I think it helps a tad.
Originally Posted by Phrost
Hmmm, not really. Stand-up grappling is generally not the focus in BJJ, but every once in a while there is a lesson in how to apply SOME of them standing up. .ie. duck a sucker's punch, take his back, RNC him, step on the back of his knee so that he kneels, kick him there again if he tries to get up, etc, etc.
Originally Posted by RunningDog
Hell, three weeks ago exactly, we went over a kimura done to an opponent on the ground while you are standing... sort of... actually one semi-kneeled. Anyways, you get the picture.
Another example: say you do Judo. You can transition a successful throw into an armbar or a wristlock while you remain standing. As a matter of fact, if you secure someone's arm, there is nothing that can stop you from doing stuff that is not being allowed in class .ie. twisting fingers :P
Imagine: You throw your opponent. He is on the floor, on your feet, you are standing, and you have a hold of his left arm. You can armbar it. You can put pressure in the elbow while bending the **** out of his wrists, etc, etc, etc.
It is my impression that if one gets decent enough at BJJ or Judo, one will have enough skills to attempt a submission while standing and have a good chance of success. The operative phrase is being decent enough or skilled enough IMO.
Once you do stuff over and over (the good practial stuff that is) it won't take long for you to figure out things on your own... this is all assuming your average misbehaving customer doesn't train at all.
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Originally Posted by LORD ASIA
But ... but ... but ... his WT bouncer friend has the anti-grapple!
All good advice. Actually a position I seem to end up in a lot is kneeling on a grounded opponent's head, while doing an armbar on him.
Originally Posted by El Macho
If you're in Britain, you're almost certainly going to find judo is your best bet for stand-up grappling, as it's widespread and has some athletes at a fairly high standard ; wrestling is rarer and at a weaker level over here.
Originally Posted by RunningDog
And I've known quite a few judo dans who were capable of downing me neatly and hard and staying standing, without coming close to letting me practice any of my BJJ-influenced ne-waza. It's hard (in my experience) to control anyone who knows what they're doing without throwing though, unless there's a really huge strength gap.
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