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  1. RoninPimp is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomamao
    weighted ropes aren't good for you. Anything over 2 pounds will destroy your shoulders in the long run, and kill your wrists.

    Just jump with a beaded rope, and jump higher/faster.
    -Destroy? As in give your shoulders a great strength endurance workout?
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    Like a speed bag?
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    I am going to have to go back and read this entire thread.
    I can't run anymore...when I hit around 1 mile it feels like my left knee cap is going to shoot off. A suitable alternative to running would definitely be in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomamao
    weighted ropes aren't good for you. Anything over 2 pounds will destroy your shoulders in the long run, and kill your wrists.

    Just jump with a beaded rope, and jump higher/faster.
    Say what????????? I guess that would be true for someone in a weakened physical shape or with a existing condition (severe carpal tunnel, or a recently broken clavicle dislocated shoulders). Other than that, now way, specially if that person does wrist/grip training and shoulder work (shrugs and cable/dumbell lateral raises).

    Quote Originally Posted by KhorneliusPraxx
    I am going to have to go back and read this entire thread.
    I can't run anymore...when I hit around 1 mile it feels like my left knee cap is going to shoot off. A suitable alternative to running would definitely be in order.
    I have a similar problem with my right kneecap, but only when I run on pavement. It comes and goes, but when it comes, it's a bitch. I usually wrap an ACE band just below my kneecap, and that seems to help.

    Better yet, running on a threadmill with a high incline really relieves the pressure in my knee caps and shins. My main problem is shin splints. When I get them, I have to resort to the stationary bike, skipping or jumping jacks (several hundreds, anything else doesn't do.)

    The stationary bike or outdoor biking are perhaps the best alternative to jogging on pavement.

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    KP, you and your avatars :)
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 8/28/2006 11:04am at .
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

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    1. Find some steps.

    2. Sprint up the steps.

    3. Jog down the steps.

    4. Repeat till near vomitting (Takes about 10 minutes).

    5. Go home.

    Personalyl I love it because it means I spend a grand total of about 15 minutes on Ccrdio at a time which is short enough that even I manage to keep focused. I don't get people who can do more than about 10 minutes of HIIT style trainning. They worry me.
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    HIIT?

    one benefit I have is the location of my home...I have a football stadium in my back yard so steps are not a problem. My house is also surrounded by a big hill, so I can choose between incline or steps.
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    instead of running for a long time...burn my ass out on stairs for the short time that my knee will hold out?
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    **** no. Stairs are actually much worse on your knees. When I went to the sports medicine guy when I borked my knee, he said when you walk up stairs you carry 4 times you body weight on your single knee (don't ask me how, probably factors in how fast you are moving), and it's 8 times when you're going down.

    Go swimming or ride a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhorneliusPraxx
    instead of running for a long time...burn my ass out on stairs for the short time that my knee will hold out?
    Dude, I seriously doubt stair exercises will be good for you knee.

    The best way to strenghten a knee (assuming you are not recovering from some sort of ACL injury) is by strenghtening your vastus medialis (the quad muscle just above your kneecap that faces your other leg). This is the one helps medially stabilize the kneecap. One legged leg extensions and lunges are the best way to strenghten this particular muscle. A lot of people happen to have a muscular imbalance between the vastus medialis and the vastus lateralis, and as a result, the kneecap is not properly stabilized when squatting, lunging or running.

    Squats and steps won't help correct that imbalance for most people. It may even make it worse. With bad knee, I wouldn't go running up and down stairs if I were you.

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    Unflexible hamstrings or calves, or hamstrings unproportionally weaker with respects to the quadriceps can also lead to chronic knee pain.
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

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    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    I'm not talking about heavy handle weighted ropes... that's fine.

    I'm talking about the ones where the weight is throughout the rope itself. It's like jumping with a long cord of rubber, or something.

    I personally don't find it a useful jumprope, because you can't go as long or as fast without seriously injuring yourself or destroying something around you. I used to do 6 pound ropes for one minute with 30 second rests, and go for a 4 rounds twice a week, until I noticed my shoulders and wrists were getting pains. So, I'm talking from experience that I've had with heavy ropes. I don't think they are the most effective ropes out there for endurance, speed, and coordination... I think that if you want an actual jumprope, beaded ropes give you all you need... a beaded rope weighs a lot more than a plastic rope, but is still functional for all the speed drills you'd like to do, without the strain on your joints.

    if you guys think that punching all out with wrist weights is bad for your joints, then why wouldn't using a heavy rope with weight all throughout be just as bad? Especially if you are trying to go fast, or for prolonged times?

    Jumprope.com doesn't even sell weighted ropes, and some of the more experienced jumprope guys out there will tell you to forget those heavy ropes. But, if you swear by them, go for it. I'm just putting out there that they can cause injuries.
    Last edited by nomamao; 8/28/2006 2:00pm at .
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