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  1. Tazz is offline

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    MMA = ?

    I am about to start training in MMA soon, and wanted to get a few questions cleared up.

    Right, so im soon to check out a club in Ontario,Canada, named Glenroy Browne Intergrated Martial arts, which offers MMA training, by Glenroy Browne(www.glenroybrowne.com).His program offers both grappling and stand-up work, with a mixture of quite alot of styles, as you can see if you go on his site. I wanted to know, if you train in a club that offers MMA training, what style are you training in? for example, say a club offers MMA training, and the styles that they intergrate into the training are BJJ,MT and Wrestling, would that i mean that i am learning BJJ,MT and Wrestling, or would it be correct to say that im doing MMA training?
    Basically, if someone asked me what style i do, would it be right to say that i do BJJ, MT and Wrestling or would it be right to say that i do MMA training?
    Hope it didnt confuse you guys =/.
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    MMA training is MMA training.

    Training in MT, BJJ etc is crosstraining.

    MMA is a style in itself.

    Hope that helps. Also, people who say that they train MMA are usually nutriding tools, so although I do train MMA as well, I keep my style field sub-grappling and MT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsufubu
    MMA training is MMA training.

    Training in MT, BJJ etc is crosstraining.

    MMA is a style in itself.

    Hope that helps. Also, people who say that they train MMA are usually nutriding tools, so although I do train MMA as well, I keep my style field sub-grappling and MT.
    I don't agree.

    Although many schools will have a MMA instructor, you'll find that this is normally the combination of BJJ and MT, and in my opinion, the effective use of two different kinds of fighting styles does NOT make a new style.

    MMA is a term referring to the fact that simply, you've MIXED martial arts. You could do this with BJJ and anything, or Muay thai and sambo, or ect.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't "train" MMA, I just calls 'em likes I sees 'em.
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    Wikipedia makes MMA sound like the name of the sport more than the name of any style or styles. Then again it is wikipedia. But I would have to agree that BJJ and MT put togather is usually the background behind an "MMA fighter"."
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    Quote Originally Posted by airman kai
    I don't agree.

    Although many schools will have a MMA instructor, you'll find that this is normally the combination of BJJ and MT, and in my opinion, the effective use of two different kinds of fighting styles does NOT make a new style.

    MMA is a term referring to the fact that simply, you've MIXED martial arts. You could do this with BJJ and anything, or Muay thai and sambo, or ect.
    MMA fighters don't do pure MT, then switch to pure BJJ and back again like Mortal Kombat characters. MT has to be modified to be takedown aware, BJJ has to be modified to take account of being kicked in the head and so on.

    At this point the MMA fighter is, at every point, doing something that is very different than any of the 'base' systems.

    What exactly are the criteria for a new style anyway?
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    I thought we agreed that MMA is a sport ruleset.

    You train whatever you deem to be appropriate for kicking ass in the free range, clinch and ground phases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    MMA fighters don't do pure MT, then switch to pure BJJ and back again like Mortal Kombat characters. MT has to be modified to be takedown aware, BJJ has to be modified to take account of being kicked in the head and so on.

    At this point the MMA fighter is, at every point, doing something that is very different than any of the 'base' systems.

    What exactly are the criteria for a new style anyway?
    You mean besides a 24year old 10th dan and a cult like following?
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    Quote Originally Posted by supercrap
    I thought we agreed that MMA is a sport ruleset.

    You train whatever you deem to be appropriate for kicking ass in the free range, clinch and ground phases.
    Can't MMA, like boxing, denote both the ruleset and the fighting style prevalent in competition under it?
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     Style: Out-Of-Shape MMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Can't MMA, like boxing, denote both the ruleset and the fighting style prevalent in competition under it?
    I'd have to say no. If you're talking about western boxing, then we're not talking about a style, we're talking about a ruleset. "Orthodox" or "Philly Left" would be an example of an actual style used under the boxing ruleset.

    The same thing can be seen with MMA. While the ruleset is "MMA," the actual techniques used come from a multitude of actual styles, all adapted to fit the ruleset.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
    Can't MMA, like boxing, denote both the ruleset and the fighting style prevalent in competition under it?
    I dunno. This is like "I say potatoe, you say potatoe" :) Take a person that crosstrains MT and BJJ, for example. When he does MT, he is not concerned about takedowns and **** like that. When he does BJJ, he is not concerned with getting a roundhouse kick to the side of his head.

    Now take a person that does MMA training, and who happens to be doing MT and BJJ for it. He is going to have to alter the way he trains both disciplines. And from there, the MMA practitioner may develop a game plan quite differently from somebody else who may be training with other striking and grappling arts.

    It's been discussed ad nauseum, and still going on as of what MMA is or what a style is. :icon_scra

    It's fun to read those threads, though... at least for me :tongue3:

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