Thread: New Supps
8/07/2006 1:42am, #1
So Im working out on schedule and making good progress. I now have whey protein powder, creatine and L-Arginine. I bought the arginine by mistake when I was suppossed to be getting glutamine. Meh, Ill keep it now cause I have it. How would you guys go about using these?
I am currently taking the whey morning and night, after and before sleep. I take the creatine everyday, 2.5 grams off day, 5 grams on. I am not sure what to do with the Arginine. From what Ive read, I would be fine taking 500mg(1 capsule) every other day. Any suggestions?
8/07/2006 2:08am, #2
8/07/2006 4:59am, #3
Regarding glutamine, this was posted on another forum, thought you might be interested.
Here are the reasons to take glutamine.
1) Immune support. Supplemental use of glutamine, either in oral, enteral, or parenteral form, increases intestinal villous height, stimulates gut mucosal cellular proliferation, and maintains mucosal integrity. It also prevents intestinal hyperpermeability and bacterial translocation, which may be involved in sepsis and the development of multiple organ failure. One study reported that athletes reported fewer incidences of upper respiratory tract infections while supplementing with glutamine (2 grams) after they ran.
2) Gastrointestinal support. 70-80% of orally administered glutamine is absorbed into the cells of your GI tract. It remains there and is metabolized by those cells without ever reaching the blood stream (image). In sicknesses such as sepsis it has been shown to help improve survival because of improved GI tract function.
Thatís pretty much it.
There is no real benefit for someone looking to build bigger muscles. That 10% of dietary glutamine that gets past the GI tract is taken up by the liver where it is converted into sugar (gluconeogenesis) and stored as glycogen in the liver.
Don't let in-vitro research fool you into thinking oral glutamine will have an effect on a healthy individuals muscle mass. Yes, glutamine does regulate protein synthesis to a certain extent under some situations. However, you can't make it happen by taking it orally. Don't let ads with some pro-bodybuilder holding a bottle of glutamine fool you. Even if that pro-bodybuilder is taking it...it isn't doing anything for him either.
Here are a couple good "in-vivo" research studies to start with:
1. Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T. Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2001 Dec;86(2):142-9.
2. Antonio J, Sanders MS, Kalman D, Woodgate D, Street C. The effects of high-dose glutamine ingestion on weightlifting performance. J Strength Cond Res. 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60.
Keep in mind that if you are eating protein powders, especially any thing with whey in it, you are getting plenty of glutamine. The question of glutamines worth in the newsletter centered on its effect on building mass and/or strength, not anything to do with the gastrointestinal track.
In short, only 47-50% of orally administered glutamine can be expected to make it past the liver and other organs, into the blood stream. And only about 10% can be expected to reach extracellular spaces.[Bowtell JL, Gelly K, Jackman ML, Patel A, Simeoni M, Rennie MJ. Effect of oral glutamine on whole body carbohydrate storage during recovery from exhaustive exercise. Journal of Applied Physiology. 1999 Jun;86(6):1770-7] Now, this is the main argument against glutamine. 90% of the glutamine you take orally never even makes it to your muscles. This isn't to say it is wasted. Your GI tract loves glutamine from reasons explained earlier. If you are having intestinal problems nothing is better. If you are trying to increase protein synthesis by loading glutamine, it isn't going to work.
8/07/2006 9:38am, #4
What would taking 500 mg every other day do? Supplementing an amino acid like that probably won't do crap. Would the arginine be best used as a NO supplement? You'd need more than 55mg tough. Take a couple caps pre workout and see if it helps.
Or return it and get a good amino like a BCAA( though GNC has no good ones I thought) or just get a refund.
8/07/2006 4:43pm, #5
Stop posting in my threads. Just walk doownstairs you lazy piece of crap!
8/07/2006 9:52pm, #6
Would it be good just to use the L-Arginine before my workouts?
I worked out today, prior I took my creatine and L-Arginine. I am going back now for a boxing workout, should I take the Arginine again? I am using just one 500mg capsule.
8/08/2006 10:41am, #7
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You can use it pre workout, but in the future I would suggest not wasting your money on gultimine or arginine. Niether is going to do much for you. Glutimine is destroyed in the gut and wont show you any results, even the "super peptide" crap that most companies try to sell you. And agrginine is a very weak vasodialator to say the least.
And as a side note, no suppliments will do anything for you unless your diet and training are in proper order.
8/08/2006 1:07pm, #8
I don't think one 500 mg capsule will do ****. Most pre workout supps have at least a gram PLUs other things like a little creatine and also citruline malate.
If you just get a refund you could get something more usefull like a two months worth of glucosamine/chondroitin. Just tell them you thought it was something else and they replace it.
8/08/2006 1:10pm, #9
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On a side-note, some believe that taking L-Arginine can stimulate an outbreak of herpes if you carry the virus, even if you have been previously asymptomatic.
1/05/2007 6:10am, #10
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I've been taking 1 gram a day for 5-6 years with great results. From what I've read its supposed to be taken right before bed, not during the day, in order to have effectiveness. When I take it I sleep less but feel more rested in the morning. Wheither it actually helps with althletic development, I don't know. But, having better sleep is definately a good thing. If I take more than a gram, my sleep is crap and I wake up feeling drunk. Some people are able to take 6-12 grams at a time, though.
Had a friend that took it and felt nothing, and another friend who had a bad reaction to just 500mg. Experimentation should let you know if it works for you.