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  1. Teh El Macho is offline
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    I really don't see how running at low/moderate intensity is going to help me burn more fat. I tried that, and I didn't see any improvements. However, jogging at high intensity, or doing interval training seems to be much more efficient ways for getting lean, at least for me. That combined with weights and a manipulation of my diet.

    Other people may react different, I dunno.
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    Steve,forget biking.Just go swimming.
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    "I really don't see how running at low/moderate intensity is going to help me burn more fat. I tried that, and I didn't see any improvements. However, jogging at high intensity, or doing interval training seems to be much more efficient ways for getting lean, at least for me. That combined with weights and a manipulation of my diet.

    Other people may react different, I dunno."

    El Macho, if the interval training works for you then it works. don't stess it.
    Works for me as well. Plus it's less boring.

    Everyone IS different that's the point you have to take into account body type, body chemistry, research, what your goals are, In the end doesn't matter what the research says or doesn't say. HOnestly the reseach only means something if your an elite athlete and your are trying to absolutely maximize your training and you have themoney to higher professionals to figure it out for you after running all kinds of evaluations etc.
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    It's my totally unqualified understanding that, while low intensity excercise burns more fat while you are excerising, this is more than balanced out by the greatly increased fat burning of high intensity excerise post workout.

    I'm sure I've read this on this forum, but here's a link to a discussion on a bodybuilding forum (google FTW)

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=747976

    edit: I'm no bodybuilder or expert....this is just the first thing that came up when I googled. I didn't read the whole of the linked thread either.
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    Not even gonna read this thread for myself.

    Read what Bao said, and do the upside-down opposite.
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    Steve, from other posts of yours I get the impression that you're really concerned about bodyfat, but in the pics/vid I've seen of you, you don't seem at all overweight. Why does it concern you so ?

    My pet theory about the weird assertion that 'if you want to lose fat you shouldn't exercise too hard' is that gyms don't want fat people pushing their heart rates too high on their premises for liability reasons. :phil2:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samurai Steve
    So now that I'm into bicycling as my main form of fitness, I've been mostly doing interval-style rides. After a 20-25 minute moderate ride and a brief stretch, I do 1:1 ratios of intensity:rest. So I'll ride hard for 2 mins, easy 2 mins. I've been doing these pyramid style and have gotten up to 4 on, 4 off, then back down.


    I've come across a couple of pieces of literature that say that in order to lose weight / burn fat, I can't get into anaerobic training because the oxygen deficit forces the body to use stored carbs as energy as opposed to fat. Basically, I have to keep my heart rate between 120-140, according to these sources, and keep the activity aerobic.

    Yay or nay on this? If I have to do long, slow rides, I'm going to have to find a different way to train; part of the fun is weaving through idiots and slower people on a narrow lakefront trail at 15mph+.
    Nay, what you need to do is to eat carbohydrates in any form to have your body keep on going. Without carbohydrate your body will start breaking down muscle to feed itself, you body needs carbohydrates to be able to process fat.

    When your body starts smelling ammonium you know your carbohydrate depos are empty and your body is consumeing muscle. Its this process that produces the smell.

    What you need is to bring som carb gel or bar and eat it some 15-30 min in to your exercise, depending how far you plan on going.
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    In order for your body to burn fat as fuel, it needs an ample supply of oxygen. At 65% of your maximum heart rate, your body has an adequate supply of oxygen to burn your fat stores. At higher heart rates, there is less oxygen in your blood; therefore it uses more glucose (muscle stores) as fuel than fat. That fat burning process begins after 20 or so minutes. This fat burning process doesn't last much longer than the exercise.

    Training at higher intensities (approx 80% maximum heart rate), you burn more glucose (muscle stores) than fat but you also raise your metabolic rate higher than you would if you trained at lower intensities. The effect of high intensity training is a high metabolism that burns fat all day long. You also eat away at your hard earned muscle, slightly.

    Bodybuilders prefer lower intensity training because they can maximize their muscle gains while burning fat. If you aren't worried about the slight muscle loss, you can benefit from high intensity training by having a higher aerobic threshold and higher metabolism.

    The simple truth for most folks is that if you consume less calories than your burn (as stated before), you'll burn off the fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ojgsxr6
    Not distance, time. If I run for an hour I burn the same calories as walking for an hour. Shuma brings up a good point, the difference is not how many calories are burned but what calories, fats, proteins or carbs.
    So intensity doesn't affect the calories burned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lights Out
    So intensity doesn't affect the calories burned?
    It does but there are factors to what the calories will consist of. Depending on intensity, how well trained you are. Instead of calories we should talk about energy or Joule.
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