Thread: "Quantum" Jujitsu? Huh? (video)
8/04/2006 12:01pm, #41
Originally Posted by ItOnlyHurtsOnce
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That second video does not look so bad to me. The above clip shows grappling, striking, and mma type sparring. Besides the instuctors demonstrations, the only cartwheel shown in the video was as a guard pass, which you see in BJJ pretty often.
There does appear to be some traditional style stuff mixed in- the bowing, some preplanned self defense techniques- but not to the exlcusion of logical training methods- they even seemed to be hitting a heavy bag.
Have you ever had someone ask to be shown what BJJ is like? As a fun demo, not as a challange? That **** is difficult- come here, now sit down, now I'll wrap my legs around you, and here is my crotch.
I just hip throw people now, because it is fun to be spun around. I think the crazy acrobatic crap is a pretty good way to lure people to come train at what looks like a school that spars in all ranges.
As for complaints about hurt students- who did the complaining? People not used to getting banged around, or are we talking true, unnecessary injuries? People get hurt in Judo all the damn time, and that looked like judo to me in a lot of places.
8/04/2006 12:23pm, #42
That video clip is awesome.
It's not fighting, but it's awesome.
8/04/2006 1:04pm, #43Originally Posted by mrblackmagic
Beyond the timing aspect, the throw from what I would call an armlock (perhaps a "flying armlock") at 0:45 plainly illustrates the emphasis on flashy movement. There was no practical reason for Corbell to throw himself into a breakfall as part of throwing his partner. In fact, it's quite possbile that his performing the throw in that fashion would make the throw itself less effective (changing his leverage on the arm). Further study of this technique shows that Corbell's application of the throw doesn't matter because his training partner flipped himself, this can be clearly seen at 0:47~0:48. This explains why the throw "worked" despite the fact that Corbell was already airborne when he obtained the proper leverage on his partner's arm. They were actually both airborne at that point, which I would accept if his partner was attempting some kind of escape.
I will admit, as I feel obligated to whenever I critique someone's performance, that I have essentially never trained. However, I have seen this type of throw (the latter of my two examples) properly executed many times and, much more importantly, am intimately knowledgeable with regard to body mechanics due to my decades of physical therapy. I also am interested in their competition record, though it won't affect my opinion of them. They will never get my respect because they posted this garbage, **** 'em.
8/04/2006 1:43pm, #44Originally Posted by RobstafarianKnowing is not enough, you must apply...
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8/04/2006 2:09pm, #45
Even the regular double leg or hip throw isn't enough for him. He needs to twirl the guy around. I swear, he should just pick up swing dancing.
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8/04/2006 2:12pm, #46
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In the second video, why is it whenever someone locks in an armbar is the man on bottom always rolling away from the man on top?
8/04/2006 2:19pm, #47
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8/04/2006 2:20pm, #48
The second video looks a lot better.
What do you mean Hurt? The guys on bottom were trying to face AWAY from the guy on top. Is that what you mean? Yeah, that's stupid. Ummm... I dunno.
The self defense portion was pretty bad, too.
8/04/2006 2:39pm, #49Originally Posted by bodhistate
8/04/2006 5:04pm, #50
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flashy versions/interpretations of real techniques :(
it could just the difference in the way I learned it
that version looks like a tekken/VF move
rolling into an armbar can work, but the way he does it his oppenent would put him on his a$$ or worse, OR his opponent would stand there and laugh
compare 19secs-21secs, wrong!
with 42-45 secs, a little better
bear in mind the correct version of many of these is hard to do
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