Tiger Klay's Krav Maga/BJJ/NHB: Bullshido Resume?

**Gringo Grande** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 12:26pm

"Tiger" Klay apparently has no idea the wealth of information that will now forever be on the internet about him and his apparently false claims. Klay falls into what I call the "loser big guy syndrome".

He's supposedly a big guy and based on sheer physical size could probably handle some people. So he turns that into "I'm a bad ass fighter and can teach you to fight". He's like Paul Varelans who made up a system and fought NHB...well...except for the part about the actually fighting...so I guess Klay isn't like him at all.

There was a kid at my High School when I was younger...he was about 6'9" and was a year or two older than me. When I was in college playing ball, back home he sued our High School basketball coach (at the age of twenty-something I might add) for cutting him from the team in High School. The reasoning? This kept him from getting a college basketball scholarship. The guy was terrible and despite being tall had no business being on a middle school basketball team much less a high school or college team.

This is what Klay reminds me of. A big guy who relies on his size to intimidate people when in actuality he has nothing more than his lies to hide behind.

Klay/Clay/"Tiger"/"Liger" whatever you call yourself...you might want to consider changing your name again as your questionable business practices, false accolades, and apparent lies are going to be there for the entire world to see for a long, long time buddy.

See the 3rd entry (and will probably rise): http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...6&q=tiger+klay

Enjoy your publicity.

GG

**Arclight** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 12:57pm

Originally Posted by TigerKlay

Thanks for the continuing help in my case and the publicity of my school. Keep in mind, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Apparently then if one were hypothetically to forward this story to any of the local investigative reporters at KXAS, KDFW, or WFAA, KTVT etc. TV stations in the DFW area, and they ran with it on a consumer expose segment... Or better yet since there are local people still getting billed who could be interviewed, KLBK, KCBD, and KAMC in Lubbock.... this type of exposure would make Larry Lonis quite ecstatically happy and thankful.

**AgentCooper** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 2:35pm

Or better yet since there are local people still getting billed who could be interviewed, KLBK, KCBD, and KAMC in Lubbock.... this type of exposure would make Larry Lonis quite ecstatically happy and thankful.

Not that is a great idea. Small news markets LOVE stories like this....I'm going to have to check my connections in the news biz and see if anyone is hungry for a decent local story.

**MMAfreak** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 3:11pm

Arclight, I think that is a great idea! Excellent... let me know if you do!

This guy is a child in an adults body and his "I know you are but what am I" style posting has accentuated his personality wonderfully.

Have you ever had a 5 year old repeat every word you say. I think this is his new tactic he hopes to defend himself with. We have now seen temper tantrum, false logic, and now copycatting... Hmmm...

Sounds like a martial artist right? Wake up and smell the coffee Larry Lonis' you stink of Bullshido!

**TigerKlay** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 3:55pm

Originally Posted by TigerKlay

To all who will read this forum. I am now withdrawing from this discussion for the mere reason that everything I have been warned about from other VERY creditable peers, has come true. I will post this daily or per every new page so that all new people reading this forum will have the real story on what has happened here.

All of my credentials, records, ranks, etc. have been challenged and unsuccessfully proven wrong in any way shape or form. As I said, I was warned previously by another peer who was roasted on this forum as well, that regardless of my response and proof and attempts thereof, it will be unsatisfactory to the “board” at hand. This was proven to be correct as just as I finally said “okay” and started giving proof, the board replied with, “we only have your word to your and no factual evidence”. Then I started giving names, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, web-sites, etc. to prove my placements, and was responded with “just give us dates and fight venues”. So which is it folks, do you want my word (date and fight venues) or do you want my instructors, peers, etc. who can provide proof. Nonetheless, I stated also, “Forget it. Let’s find out in court with a defamation suit. Please send me your name, address, and court representation via e-mail per my website AND NOT SIMPLY ON THIS FORUM” as to ensure their safety, privacy, and ensure that I had real info. None of them have done so. NONE OF THEM!!! I ASKED THE SAME OF AgentCooper, who after further research I am very near sure is Klay Pittman, a person who was known to have a personal grudge against me even after I gave him and his brother the tools to not only have his school survive, but also grow dramatically, without question. This was done several times over as his attempt to defame me, in his school……over and over and over. How sad from a man who’s exact words to me were “because of you, I can now move out of my Father’s house, have the ability to support a family, and pursue spreading the word of Jiu-Jitsu.”. Even if it were not Klay, he has obviously stated things of sheer angst for a mere student to be able to just assume without Klay saying something abroad in his facility several times over, as to program the members there. Your welcome Klay. Hope you enjoy it while it lasts sir. This is my feeling, and that AC is actually not who he represents himself to be. The same thing I am supposedly “on trial for” here. It is said that what we hate most of others, is in fact what we like least about ourselves. He/she still has yet to answer me (even by private e-mail as requested, with promise that I would not publicly humiliate or defame him/her ) of who he/she is, as AC has said repeatedly that we met over 10 years ago. How convenient. It’s quite obvious, a person will meet thousands of people in a ten year time period, thus not enabling a person to be identified by such info. Still no response after several attempts to prove your identity Cooper.

I then provided reasoning for claims made in the BBB for the Lubbock school and my decision to shut it down 6 - 7 MONTHS AFTER LEAVING IT IN THE HANDS OF A GM and an investor who put the school through it’s 2nd embezzlement, and not leaving it “High and dry and unannounced” as accused. I will absolutely take responsibility for the BBB claims, as it was my business, and I should have paid attention to it much closer. At the time, I was training for fight, spending total training time of 5.5 to 7 hours daily, and only 30 – 45 minutes in the school daily, as the GM at that time was the school’s first embezzlement. That GM also lacked greatly in customer service skills, while taking money from patrons without record, and for services that were not guaranteed or even provided by the school at that time. The only accounts being collected on at this time are for those who owed money, and past due. If anyone from the Lubbock facility is reading and there is a problem on your account, please e-mail me, and I will investigate your problem, while getting you in contact Sensei Karl Lusk, who will continue your training, but not under direction of me, with exception of me teaching him, unless you request otherwise. Sensei Lusk BTW, who all of you also know to be extremely honest, humble, and diligent, as the rest of my Black Belts there are as well is definitely interested in the completion of your Black Belt and beyond, without being interested about the business end of martial arts….much how many of you knew me to be, and because of my love for Martial Arts, that if I could teach for free, I would have gladly done so.

Regardless of anything previous, or forthcoming, I am hereby withdrawing from this forum as the ones who are interested only in truth for Martial Arts, resigned from it long ago, while now, only the ongoing slanderers continue to be part of the mud slinging. This thread will be continually posted, with no other response besides it, on every page from here on out, so that all may know what has truly happened.

Thank you,
Ylarlego Gcannon-Klay Hamilton-L’Onis
(aka Klay, Clay, Larry (“Ylari”), and whatever else you choose to call me….)

I will Pursue only peace, and yet protect that of mine and my loved ones with great hostility, but only when needed.

Sounds great folks.

**sasquatch989** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 4:14pm

?lay,

You said that if we contacted you off the forum in a civil manner, questions will be answered. Well, I emailed you and got more of the same.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Sasquatch989
Date: Aug 18, 2006 10:43 AM

i see you are not on the BS.com site anymore. So with civility I ask, where and when did you ever fight in any NHB/MMA matches, and why is that picture from the Hook N Shoot website on your myspace profile without any claim that it is in fact not you in that picture? It takes a lot of cojones to put another fighters pic and ommit the fact that it is not you (even though those who view it believe it to be you), and ommission is a form of lying. It takes even more cojones to actually get in the ring/cage and put it all on the line.

Resolve it, guy! I don't doubt that your Krav/Haganah creds are legit. As much as I disagree with the whole system, that in itself does not constitute BS. If you are qualified to teach it, go on ahead. Again, I don't doubt that you are as who have provided some references to that training, and I am not a Krav guy anyway. Even the Martial Arts Orgs thing doesn't bother me as much because I know how those things work. BUTTTTT, you keep dodging the NHB stuff, and that is where I am coming from.

Sasquatch

To which you replied,

Saquatch,

I appreciate your reply to the forum and posts, regardless of your views to what I teach. There is absloutley nothing wrong with having an opinnion on other systems. I on the otherhand stay as openminded as possible. I will be posting one more time as to give my final view, as it does seem impossible that Pittman/so called "Pittman's student"/"AgentCooper", will accept no information given regardless if it be from myself or those in authority positions.

As for your current opinion though, on Krav. I would only ask that you train with one of us who has been used in the seminars, demos, and discussions world wide to spread the word about Krav before determining your position on it, ie. Myself, John Whitman, Sam Sade, Wade Allen, Amir Perets, Richard Greiopt, from L.A. Myself from Texas. Ernie Kirk in PA.

As for my NHB record. Please read my forum response, and you will understand what recourse I have attempted to take while only being shot down before the info was able to be put up. (WHEN DID YOU POST THIS?)

As for my fighting ability, keep in contact with Grandnat, and ask for his opinion as he comes in to train, etc. or come by and give it a shot yourself when in the area. Before that gets blown out of proportion, I'm not "physically threatening" you. Merely saying, that real fighters have no problem fighting, and doing so without ego or angst of any sort thereafter.

Go back an read the underlined. I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR KRAV MAGA CREDS!!! I AM NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY YEA OR NAY TO THE VALIDITY OF THAT **** !!!! I FIGHT NHB, ERGO I ONLY QUESTION YOUR NHB RESUME!! I ASK AGAIN...WHERE, WHEN, and WHO HAVE YOU FOUGHT IN NHB!?!?!?! ****!!!!!!! :angry9:

PS WE KNOW THAT PICTURE IS NOT YOU, IF YOU CAN'T TELL BY NOW.

**TigerKlay** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 4:30pm

Originally Posted by TigerKlay

To all who will read this forum. I am now withdrawing from this discussion for the mere reason that everything I have been warned about from other VERY creditable peers, has come true. I will post this daily or per every new page so that all new people reading this forum will have the real story on what has happened here.

All of my credentials, records, ranks, etc. have been challenged and unsuccessfully proven wrong in any way shape or form. As I said, I was warned previously by another peer who was roasted on this forum as well, that regardless of my response and proof and attempts thereof, it will be unsatisfactory to the “board” at hand. This was proven to be correct as just as I finally said “okay” and started giving proof, the board replied with, “we only have your word to your and no factual evidence”. Then I started giving names, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, web-sites, etc. to prove my placements, and was responded with “just give us dates and fight venues”. So which is it folks, do you want my word (date and fight venues) or do you want my instructors, peers, etc. who can provide proof. Nonetheless, I stated also, “Forget it. Let’s find out in court with a defamation suit. Please send me your name, address, and court representation via e-mail per my website AND NOT SIMPLY ON THIS FORUM” as to ensure their safety, privacy, and ensure that I had real info. None of them have done so. NONE OF THEM!!! I ASKED THE SAME OF AgentCooper, who after further research I am very near sure is Klay Pittman, a person who was known to have a personal grudge against me even after I gave him and his brother the tools to not only have his school survive, but also grow dramatically, without question. This was done several times over as his attempt to defame me, in his school……over and over and over. How sad from a man who’s exact words to me were “because of you, I can now move out of my Father’s house, have the ability to support a family, and pursue spreading the word of Jiu-Jitsu.”. Even if it were not Klay, he has obviously stated things of sheer angst for a mere student to be able to just assume without Klay saying something abroad in his facility several times over, as to program the members there. Your welcome Klay. Hope you enjoy it while it lasts sir. This is my feeling, and that AC is actually not who he represents himself to be. The same thing I am supposedly “on trial for” here. It is said that what we hate most of others, is in fact what we like least about ourselves. He/she still has yet to answer me (even by private e-mail as requested, with promise that I would not publicly humiliate or defame him/her ) of who he/she is, as AC has said repeatedly that we met over 10 years ago. How convenient. It’s quite obvious, a person will meet thousands of people in a ten year time period, thus not enabling a person to be identified by such info. Still no response after several attempts to prove your identity Cooper.

I then provided reasoning for claims made in the BBB for the Lubbock school and my decision to shut it down 6 - 7 MONTHS AFTER LEAVING IT IN THE HANDS OF A GM and an investor who put the school through it’s 2nd embezzlement, and not leaving it “High and dry and unannounced” as accused. I will absolutely take responsibility for the BBB claims, as it was my business, and I should have paid attention to it much closer. At the time, I was training for fight, spending total training time of 5.5 to 7 hours daily, and only 30 – 45 minutes in the school daily, as the GM at that time was the school’s first embezzlement. That GM also lacked greatly in customer service skills, while taking money from patrons without record, and for services that were not guaranteed or even provided by the school at that time. The only accounts being collected on at this time are for those who owed money, and past due. If anyone from the Lubbock facility is reading and there is a problem on your account, please e-mail me, and I will investigate your problem, while getting you in contact Sensei Karl Lusk, who will continue your training, but not under direction of me, with exception of me teaching him, unless you request otherwise. Sensei Lusk BTW, who all of you also know to be extremely honest, humble, and diligent, as the rest of my Black Belts there are as well is definitely interested in the completion of your Black Belt and beyond, without being interested about the business end of martial arts….much how many of you knew me to be, and because of my love for Martial Arts, that if I could teach for free, I would have gladly done so.

Regardless of anything previous, or forthcoming, I am hereby withdrawing from this forum as the ones who are interested only in truth for Martial Arts, resigned from it long ago, while now, only the ongoing slanderers continue to be part of the mud slinging. This thread will be continually posted, with no other response besides it, on every page from here on out, so that all may know what has truly happened.

Thank you,
Ylarlego Gcannon-Klay Hamilton-L’Onis
(aka Klay, Clay, Larry (“Ylari”), and whatever else you choose to call me….)

I will Pursue only peace, and yet protect that of mine and my loved ones with great hostility, but only when needed.

That's not what I said....qoute it if you can find it.
What I said was all of you feel free to send me your info who have in any way tried to challenge my creds, and we can handle it in court and put the results up on here at that point. AND OFCOURSE, nobody has done so.....hmmmmm...wonder why?

**sasquatch989** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 4:48pm

Here is the catch,

I'm a poor college student. I don't have the vast resources that you do to challenge this **** in court. I don't care enough to go that far, either. IT should be pointed out that if you stopped with the song and dance, answered the questions, and accepted out apologies, then all of nature would have balance restored.

Sadly, you have provided only a few references while creating a smokescreen around the stuff that you cannot prove. At the same time you sit at your computer, smugly claiming that your enrollment goes up. GOOD FOR YOU.

Here is the other catch.

YOu know and I know, and everyone else here knows that you are full of it.

I am moving back to New Mexico in June where I'll be joining up with Pete Jacksons crew in Albuquerque to fight pro. With your stellar record, i can't see why you wouldn't take a fight on my pro debut? I'm 6'3" and I weigh 230 when I fight HW (I'm a LHW fighter) So I'll be giving you a couple inches and a couple lbs.
This isn't a threat, I'm just asking if you would be willing to prove it in a sanctioned match either in TX or NM. I don't care where. The opporunity to smash you legally for being a fucking bullshit artist would be worth much more than the purse we would fight for.

**sasquatch989** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 4:49pm

MArtial Artists prove their worth in the ring, not in a courtroom, you fucking *****.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 5:42pm

Originally Posted by TigerKlay

That's not what I said....qoute it if you can find it.
What I said was all of you feel free to send me your info who have in any way tried to challenge my creds, and we can handle it in court and put the results up on here at that point. AND OFCOURSE, nobody has done so.....hmmmmm...wonder why?

Actually people have put there creds up here. You then changed it to your website. See how you constantly change the rules to fit your cry baby, Peace loving, ass?

Which is it? Lawsuit. I'm just kidding, no lawsuit, Krav.

Here you go with that court ****. I think you need to handle that embezzlement case. So, you can afford two court cases going through the system at once?

Hmmmm or is that a red herring?

Waaaaaah I was about to post evidence but, they made me mad.

Bwahahahahahahahaha this has to be the best cop out I have ever heard. I won't make you eat crow because I'm above this mess.

Yet, you copy/paste like a little child.

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

You sound like the person with the only basketball who quits, takes the ball home, chuckling, thinking it'll stop the other people from having fun.

Sad thing is we have our own basketball and you can go home and sulk.

Oh you screwed up and responded. What happened?