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  1. jnp is offline
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    Let's get our facts straight. Tiger Clay's instructor is named L. Klay L'Onis. This is the person laying claim to all the titles, awards, accolades etc. and who happens to be a rather large individual. According to Mr. Clay's website, he is the primary instructor at Tiger Clay's Mid-Cities Krav Maga in Bedford, Tx.

    An excerpt from Mr. Clay's website regarding Mr. L'Onis' bio:
    Through the years, Sensei L'Onis has studied various forms of Martial Arts, beginning with a militaristic form of self defense and fighting and then later being enrolled in an Olympic Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido school. While continuing with his training, he then left the Olympic persuasion of Tae Kwon Do to study American Karate (Tae Kwon Do-Chung Do Kwan), where he was seen even at a very young age to be a stand out amongst all competitors. After American Karate, Sensei L'Onis continued to study under Renshi Ron Risce in a realistic form of self defense and fighting. He found that he had great interest in many methods of fighting and self-defense such as Sim-Do, Kenpo, Dai-Ichi Shotokan, Combat methodology Hapkido, Muay Thai and American Kickboxing, Judo, Sambo, Ju-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Submission Fighting, and last, but certainly not least, Krav Maga and Haganah Israeli Self Defense systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega
    Thanks Mr. attention to detail.

    Do you take fiber for that personal problem of your Sir 'Anal Retentive'

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    not being picky... you asked.

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    Well **** at 6'4" 296 (did I see that right)
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    8/02/2006 10:45am


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    As MMA and grappling become bigger this is going to happen more and more. People with no credentials sill simply slap it onto there long list of bullshit claims.
    Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?
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    8/02/2006 10:59am


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    Let's get our facts straight. Tiger Clay's instructor is named L. Klay L'Onis. This is the person laying claim to all the titles, awards, accolades etc. and who happens to be a rather large individual. According to Mr. Clay's website, he is the primary instructor at Tiger Clay's Mid-Cities Krav Maga in Bedford, Tx.

    An excerpt from Mr. Clay's website regarding Mr. L'Onis' bio:
    I believe you are incorrect JNP.

    L. Klay L'Onis. is A.K.A. Tiger klay

    please note his myspace.

    http://www.myspace.com/tigerklay

    and his company profile

    "Tiger Klay's Midcities Krav Maga
    Bedford , Texas US
    Owner Head Instructor
    www.tigerclayskravmaga.com"
    It list L'onis as the head instructor.

    and his lubbock school

    http://www.kravmagalubbock.com/



    Here even lists his instructors

    Chuck Heacock (the World’s most Phenomenal Sales and Marketing Mentor and all-around amazing friend)
    Greg and Jeanie Silva – Children’s Martial Arts Program Mentors
    Mike Lee Kanarek - Founder of Haganah Isreali Self Defense - Member of the Golani Brigade (Elite Israeli Special Forces Group)... who loves kicking me in the groin
    Hanshi Ricardo Johns - Dai-Ichi Shotokan Karate-Do (a Karateka Soke of few words, but phenominal ability and "human" characteristic)
    John Whitman - Krav Maga (amazing, instinctive fighter and another who enjoyed kicking me in the groin)
    Sensei Ron Risce - Kenpo, Hapkido, Judo, Ju-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
    Gokor Chyvician – Judo, Sambo, Hayastan Jiu-Jitsu
    Sensei "Judo" Gene LeBell (for choking me out relentlessly until I figured out that 2 week long headaches weren’t actually as funny as he thought they were)
    Choo Chai Prakarnchai (Choo Chai Ritteluchai) – Muay Thai
    Michael Margolin - Krav Maga
    Sam Sade - Krav Maga (and colorful Israeli Lingo/Jokes)
    Jarret Waldman - Krav Maga
    Wade Allen - Krav Maga
    Sensei Daniel Thompson - Sempi - Shotokan Karate-Do (for bringing truth to my Table of Martial Arts)
    Darren Levine - U.S. Chief Krav Maga Instructor
    Sensei Walt Bushey - Texas Komei Jukyu/Katsujin Ryu Budo Kai (Great freind and awesome coach. One of few I have found who really appreciates AND practices true tradionalism and the technique within the Traditional Japanese Arts. Also one of the very few I will ever recommend for real Karate-Do and Kickboxing training)

    no where is L'onis mentioned.

    So I assume Tiger Clay is L'oni's nickname.
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    8/02/2006 11:03am


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    This pic lends credibility to at least him competeing in MMA. His claims still look dubious but this looks like MMA gloves and clearly striking is involved.

    http://myspace-089.vo.llnwd.net/0045...55372089_l.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandnat
    This pic lends credibility to at least him competeing in MMA. His claims still look dubious but this looks like MMA gloves and clearly striking is involved.

    http://myspace-089.vo.llnwd.net/0045...55372089_l.jpg
    Are we sure that is even him?

    I would imagine there are more photos of his illustrious MMA/NHB career if he was the coach of a team.
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    8/02/2006 11:14am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandnat
    I believe you are incorrect JNP.

    So I assume Tiger Clay is L'oni's nickname.
    I stand corrected. Grandnat's reading comprehension FTW.
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    8/02/2006 3:15pm


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    The only mention of "US National Martial Arts Hall of Fame " I could find was in the below link

    http://knoxville.yourhub.com/Blog.aspx?contentid=81066

    Sensei McSorley has been inducted into the US National Martial Arts Hall of Fame five times: Woman of the Year (2001), Female Master of the Year (2002), Head Founder of the Year (2003), Chaplain of the Year (2004) and as the first female Pioneer Award Recipient (2005).
    again why would a martial arts hall of fame give an award for chaplain of the year?!?!?


    Looks like he was inducted into a Christian martial arts hall of fame.


    Why does it seem that Christianity and bullshido go hand in hand?
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    I am going to call and ask about a drop in class tonight.

    Give me a list of questions specifically that you all would like me to ask.

    I already have a couple.
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    8/02/2006 3:49pm


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    I would like to know who is this NHB team he is coaching and who sanctions them.

    Also, FCF database doesn't have anything on him (or his cronies), and FCF covers both amateur and pro fighters.

    On that note, I think his pic is BS


    I'm 6'3" and the ropes are not even chest high on me (i have fought in different size rings). If he is 6'7", why do those rings come up to his opponents shoulders? Maybe the angle is funny, maybe the ropes are higher than most, and maybe his opponent is only 5' 8" (but at that height and his weight of 289, these guys do not look like HW's, SHW's, or even LHW's).

    Further, he seems to be a jack of all trades, yet a master of none. This is of course a recurring theme in the world of Bullshido. Ask him what his actual black belts are, since he likes to call himself Sensei
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