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  1. Pandinha is offline

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    Peedee,

    You missed my whole thought process. You are correct, WHY would I think about passing his guard?

    Because I am trained too.

    See my point?

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    "When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    No i DONT see your point. You wouldnt be INSIDE his guard so you wouldnt HAVE to pass it. You COULD use all the OTHER things you were(or were not) taught.
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    I myself started taking Shooto about two months ago. After taking BJJ, I never realized what an added dimenstion striking added. So many basic BJJ things are so much harder when the guy has free shots at your face and you don't have a Gi. Shooto also made me realize that the flexibility knee-on-stomach gives you is preferable to a full mount? I would take that anyday . . .

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    Peedee,

    Why am I even answering you?

    When you can predict what happens in a street fight, match, or any fight for that matter, they will break down your door to learn from you.

    Since that isn't the case, learn to read before going off the handle.





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    "When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    I myself started taking Shooto about two months ago. After taking BJJ, I never realized what an added dimenstion striking added. So many basic BJJ things are so much harder when the guy has free shots at your face and you don't have a Gi. Shooto also made me realize that the flexibility knee-on-stomach gives you is preferable to a full mount? I would take that anyday . . .
    Deus has pretty much given me the same information. Peaked my interest immensely.



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    "When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    Posted On:
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    BJJ still owns right now.

    Any style that you claim is better is only better for fast, physical men.
    Gimme a break. Are you telling me that learning how to punch and kick in combination is only for fast, physical men? Learning how to clinch, how to work the clinch WITH STRIKING, and how to set up takedowns USING STRIKING, is only for fast, physical men? You are living in the past.

    You're not going to tell me that if a pure BJJ guy vs. a similar guy who has trained MMA fought NHB, the BJJ would win.

    FACT: BJJ has no striking. Period.
    FACT: BJJ as a whole has poor stand up grappling skills. Which is magnified 10 times as much when striking is factored in.

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    Edited by - deus ex machina on July 16 2003 02:20:07
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    It's a matter of training more realistically with an added dimension. That's it.

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    The techniques will never be obsolete, that's important.

    Of course MMA will be better, it deals with everything. Striking is only useful when you have the power to back it up.

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    I agree with you SLJ.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    Posted On:
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    Nice flame-bait thread, Danny. Feeling argumentative, are we?

    Isn't the problem not that BJJ does or doesn't own but that it's now being taught largely as a "sport" art and not a street one?

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