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  1. DdlR is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by TehDeadlyDimMak
    By boxing standards the WC guy has horrible form. The boxing guy also has horrible form.

    In conclusion the only thing the boxer and the WC guy have in common is horrible form.
    "The boxing guy" is just posing for a photograph, but Sullivan's form as a fighter was good enough to rise to the top of the sport (both in bare knuckle and glove fighting) and stay there throughout the 1880s. The "Boston Strongboy" was a badass - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Sullivan

    The rules and techniques of boxing were different in the late 1800s to those of the modern sport and there isn't a lot of point in judging one by the standard of the other.
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    He's from Boston?

    In that case he has great form... and he's also very good looking.
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    [I WANT THE SAME PANTS].

    Another thing is that with his hands down like that, it looks a bit like the modern MMA's guard: not too high in case someone takes you down. They're still a bit lower in that pic tho.

    Oh and by the way, if _ing _un's guard is like the old prize fighter's guard, maybe in a hundred of years their guard will look like the modern boxing's one?
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    MMA guard?

    In MMA you shouldn't drop your hands any more, but you should fight from a lower stance in preparation to sprawl. The low hands you see often in MMA isn't recommended. Given fighters like Liddell fight with their hands low, but not everyone is Liddell.
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    I didn't mean drop your hands, but more like having lowered hands instead of the traditional boxing stance, or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokaku
    [I WANT THE SAME PANTS].

    Another thing is that with his hands down like that, it looks a bit like the modern MMA's guard: not too high in case someone takes you down. They're still a bit lower in that pic tho.

    Oh and by the way, if _ing _un's guard is like the old prize fighter's guard, maybe in a hundred of years their guard will look like the modern boxing's one?
    That's a good point - old-school prize fighters could throw their opponents, although the throws were standing trips and hip turns rather than leg dives.

    The main reasons for their upright stance was because they fought bare-knuckle and really, really didn't want to get punched in the face, and also they couldn't hide behind gloves, so they used distance (hence upright stance, extended lead hand with a slight backward lean). That said, there was a lot of variation and personal preference in their guard positions, depending on the individual's physique etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    There's at least one _ing _un sifu in the US who has theorized that bare-knuckle boxing may have influenced the Chinese style, via sailors who visited Chinese port ci ties in the late 1700s and 1800s. It's an interesting theory but AFAIK it's never been substantiated.

    We've had some discussions along these lines in the history forum - try a search there for "bare-knuckle boxing".
    That would be Karl Godwin. Not sure how accurate the theory is, though I'd have to give it more creedence than the usual WC origin story.
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