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  1. boldizar is offline

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    Will the Military Destroy MMA?

    Pugno Ergo Sum

    The NY Times published an article today about the US military’s embrace of mixed martial arts as a recruiting tool because the sport has “adopted safety measures that satisfied most state regulators.” At the same time, jurisdictions like New York State and Ontario continue to ban the sport and newspapers like the Ottawa Citizen publish Op-Ed after Op-Ed denouncing it as "human cockfighting."

    With all the attention MMA is getting these days, it needs a conptual framework or it risks being defined from the outside -- by money and institutions rather than by the fighters themselves. Here's an attempt at one:


    In Tokugawa Japan, there were four basic categories of people. The lowest category was that of the merchants, the highest that of the warrior. Similar values were held by all nearly all western and eastern cultures during their periods of greatness, from the Romans to the various nationalities of knights. But the merchants now dominate the world — and merchants have never liked violence, except for (1) circuses and (2) organized violence by those whom they control as a police force to ensure their own safety.


    The bans on MMA — and, perhaps worse, the new attempts to “civilize” it and turn it into one of those circuses — show just how far we have come from a culture of honour towards a dehumanizing rationality that would redefine us as ants rather than mammals. The males of every mammalian species on this planet engage in one-on-one physical violence towards each other. It is in our genes, as defining to a male’s healthy individuation and growth as menstruation and childbirth are to women. Mixed martial arts at its best gives us an outlet for that primal and important part of who we are, in a setting with just enough rules to enforce honour — no weapons, no gang members to help.


    Opponents constantly talk about fighters being poor role models. Besides the question of why do we always need role models (is the only point of sport to brainwash the young?) I’m certain there’d be a lot less serious violence in school if we nurtured honour, including fisticuffs with honour, rather than a counter-natural abstinence from fisticuffs.


    Honour implies consent. You don't kick a man who doesn't get up. You're not there to hurt someone. You fight for yourself, for the right to look at yourself in the morning mirror, not for victory at any cost. But a culture that represses this kind of violence can't draw the distinction between methods of fighting, between fighting for honour -- which, like fighting among animals, rarely leads to serious injury or death -- and fighting for victory, in which fairness and honour are simply poor tactics.


    If we teach our male children that being a macho is bad, then we throw out the code of the macho. We won't repress the violence, but we will make it unbound. So instead of manly men, we get gangsters and thugs.


    This is not an accident. Our society is uncomfortable with the values of the macho, of the warrior. We prefer cops and soldiers -- organized, mechanized, almost mineralized versions of the warrior: A soldier is a warrior stripped of his humanity; his purpose is to win at any cost, for the protection of all the rest of us, as the soldier ant protects the colony.


    In the words of Santayana, “To fight is a radical instinct; if men have nothing else to fight over they will fight over words, fancies, or women, or they will fight because they dislike each other’s looks, or because they have met walking in opposite directions. To knock a thing down, especially if it is cocked at an arrogant angle, is a deep delight to the blood. To fight for a reason and in a calculating spirit is something your true warrior despises.”


    The military’s embrace of MMA will push it towards the group mentality and the calculating spirit. Accordingly, the Times wrote, “Across the service, the embrace of mixed martial arts has come with some reservations. The sport’s emphasis on solitary glory runs counter to the Army’s recent efforts to shift recruiting themes from individual development (Be All That You Can Be; Army of One) to group unity (Army Strong; Go Army).”


    And yet there are still some of us attuned enough to our mammalian roots that we wish to fight, not for victory for our colony, but for ourselves. For the pleasure and the pride and the honour of it, and because we still have a trace that tells us that intellect without intestines is hollow, that a cost-benefit approach to life renders it lifeless.


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    Note: I’ve lived all over the world, often in countries without much choice in martial arts clubs. I love to spar, any sort of sparring, so I’ve done bits and pieces various disciplines -- if the school had moderately realistic sparring, I joined. The best so far has been <link removed>in Ottawa, Canada, both for the quality of the instructions and for the no-bullshit friendly attitude. Attitude counts.
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    This is a really terrible wall of text concealing a plug for an MMA school.
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    It's like Fight Club and the Karate Kid made a 2 girls 1 cup video in text form, and it got plastered all over my screen.

    FRAT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless44
    This is a really terrible wall of text concealing a plug for an MMA school.
    AGREED. Not to mention a website.


    Where in that rambling, incoherent wall of psychobabble and faux philosophy was the part about the military "destroying" MMA?
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    Didn't know it was a problem to plug a school I liked. Or sign the thing with a website.

    As for the rest, some of us like to fight AND think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boldizar
    Didn't know it was a problem to plug a school I liked. Or sign the thing with a website.
    It's free advertising without consent, which = spam.

    Quote Originally Posted by boldizar
    As for the rest, some of us like to fight AND think.
    Great! Let us know when you start doing it rather than opening your "Philosophy and Human Civilization 101" book and awkwardly trying to fit what you read there to MMA.
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    Yeah, however, you aren't counted amongst the philosopher-fighters if this piece of **** is any example of how you think, sweetcheeks.

    EDIT: Damn you G-Off.
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    And your idea of thinking is what, who would beat whom? The American Idol of fighting?

    If you haven't noticed, MMA is seriously lacking a conceptual framework for engaging the world outside its own circles. Which means that its future will be completely dictated not by its practitioners, but by money and by outside institutions like the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless44
    Yeah, however, you aren't counted amongst the philosopher-fighters if this piece of **** is any example of how you think, sweetcheeks.

    EDIT: Damn you G-Off.
    It's ok, GOTEAM!

    *tags nameless in*
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    Quote Originally Posted by boldizar
    And your idea of thinking is what, who would beat whom? The American Idol of fighting?

    If you haven't noticed, MMA is seriously lacking a conceptual framework for engaging the world outside its own circles. Which means that its future will be completely dictated not by its practitioners, but by money and by outside institutions like the military.
    Yessir, Dana White sure is letting anyone dictate what MMA is going to be in the future. He sure is. Gary Shaw sure is doing that too.

    Do you see why you are a moron yet? Just because there isn't a broad, pan-MMA front defining concepts doesn't mean that there aren't sufficient forces introducing MMA out from the underground. Plus, you are assuming that MMA is still underground status. With movies like Redbelt and guys like Bas and Couture cameoing on sitcoms and in extremely popular video games, I'd say MMA's already emerged from its own circles.
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