Posted On:7/14/2003 8:32am
No offense was intended, please accept my apology, as belittling you was not my intent.
We seem to agree on the "static" portion of this debate. I'm glad.
Posted On:7/14/2003 8:49am
"You said "(3) The power of the kick comes from the rotation of your hips. This true of all kicks and styles."
Well, in ShorinRyu, we DON'T rotate the hips when we kick, not the shoulders --- aka "leaning into a punch". Why you ask?"
You are correct about all styles not rotating the hips. Shorin-ryu was actually my first style.
I knew I would get nailed on that one, but I was to lazy to change it. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
Posted On:7/14/2003 9:11am
"(1) When one leg is in the air, the other is supporting 100% of YOUR weight. Even you cannot deny this. "
"Even I" CAN deny this. Along with Newton and an entire field of physics, because it's BULLSHIT. Ass. Does everything in your world stay perfectly still for you, or what?"
No, my world does not stay perfectly still.
I think our problem is one of communication, as Punisher stated, so let me try to state my viewpoints more specifically.
If you attempt to track your weight distribution from the second you pick your foot up from the ground, to the second you put it down again, I agree, the weight distribution will change and vary tremendously during the course of the kick. There will will moments in time where 100% of your weight is not on the rear leg. That will be true whether you are standing still or are in motion.
My original comments were made in regards to initiating the kick. You have to transfer all or significant portion of your weight to the supporting leg, in order to throw the kick.
I think our disagreements stem from having this debate over the internet. If we were face-to-face and able to demostrate ad clarify to each other our view points, I think we would find we are either in agreement or very close to it.
Posted On:7/14/2003 9:18am
"I've explained my point several times now, from different perspectives, too. I'm getting sick of it. I put it very simply in one of my previous posts: if your COG is not directly above your "posting" foot, there will be less than 100% of your mass on the posted foot."
This much I agree with. Forgive me if I missed this statement earlier.
Posted On:7/15/2003 8:52pm
Style: Brazillian Kung Fu
Hey guys, sorry for not replying sooner. Work's a bitch. Anyways, I'm just responding to a closing out a couple of q's, hopefully not generating new ones. Heh.
BigRod, no sweat. I kinda went off the handle a bit. I can be a cantankerous bastard at times. I agree totally with your assessment. I really wish I could show you all what I mean. On rereading some of the posts (like quote above), I can definitely see how the static argument arises.
Pun, to hell with the step-by-step, I can't be bothered just now. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> If you want clarification just let me know. There are a few different ways that this principle used. One is as an upward front snap kick to the groin as you come in behind it with a high technique. Often just a low/high feint to close the range and breakdown the opponent's guard, but you can put as much intent into either tech as you want. Another version is usually used in a little closer (often already in contact with the opponent), again a type of front kick. You basically pick your foot up and use the forward/downward motion to stomp his lead knee into the ground from an angle. Or you can do it with a type of sidekick (admittedly, a really weird sidekick) to the rear knee from the same position. Damn, it's harder to describe than I thought. In general, it is used to close distance quickly without telegraphing, and put help put your weight into mostly stomp-type kicks. Anyways, lots of styles use this principle in different ways. Many southern Chinese styles use it, and I've seen it in some others, though my memories not jogging right now as to which ones. :/
Crim, Sales Engineer!? Damn! That's like, an oxymoron or something! I work in R&D myself, and boy I've got a word or two for those sales and marketing guys!
See, man? It's all love. If you can't have a heated debate on Bullshido without getting the bad blood flowing, where that hell can you go?
Except when/if we ever actually meet up. I'll show you *exactly* how weight can be used to one's advantage while kicking! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Edited by - gong sau on July 15 2003 20:53:25
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Posted On:7/15/2003 9:13pm
Style: Karate/Muay Thai
You an eng in R&D? Or just a sad sad wannabe? *duck!* Where'd you study?
And yes, I realize this is probably better as a PM, but I'm too damn lazy and I think this thread has pretty much ended with the group-hug.
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One guy gets sword and sheild, the other gets a net and a trident.
Lions eat christians between rounds." - Strong Machine
Posted On:7/15/2003 9:33pm
>You an eng in R&D? Or just a sad sad wannabe?
Ouch! No, I'm not an engineer, though I work as one. I'm actually a technologist (Algonquin College). Sad, I know. But, I'm now a hardware designer for a local R&D firm. At least I use my skills! *my turn to duck!*
Posted On:7/15/2003 9:41pm
Kung fu sucks... period....
Posted On:7/15/2003 9:51pm
Guh! Thrug do M-M-A! Thrug not like T-M-A! Rrraarrgh!
Posted On:7/15/2003 9:57pm
Style: Choy Lay Fut
Kung fu sucks... period....
You know, when you've already put three periods after a sentence, you don't have to write the word 'period' then put 4 more periods.
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