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  1. Matt W. is offline
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    Posted On:
    7/10/2003 1:29pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    We have a lot of sparring and no real forms at all. There are some two-man drills, and some solo work, but nothing like Asian MA kata.

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  2. Freddy is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The only I trained in is with two stick, long stick, knives and a machete. All of which are common things that you can find. You never know when you might be forced to use them.

    "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law"
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  3. Dibble is offline

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    7/10/2003 2:34pm

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    ...I had to tell a security guard my Kali sticks...were "Native Philipino Art" just to get through the mall.

    It's illegal to carry them in Canada under the same law that prohibits the 'chucks because they are purpose built as a weapon. The fact that I could hurt someone just as badly with a car antenna seems to have escaped notice.
    No ****! For real??!? Are they gonna ban flashlights, sturdy umbrellas and walking canes too? Will plumbers have to apply for a concealed weapons permit?

    Ye gods, and yet, I see the US of A following the same absurd logic...

    Man, when are they going to learn that nobody can save stupid people from themselves, much less legislate it!
  4. SamHarber is offline

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    Posted On:
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    I've noticed that a lot of the mass production bokkens and tantos end in quite sharp points. I've never really understood the point of that, as they're supposed to be blunt training weapons. I always cut and file these down so the points are rounded, and hence less dangerous.
    For the heavier weapons, the minimum armour should be a helmet and gloves, and even with knife fighting, an fencing helmet is a must.
    The dog brothers are insane in the level of force they use, but they at least have the right idea of how to train with weapons.
    Taking responsibility for my actions since 1989
  5. Pandinha is offline

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    Posted On:
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    JKDChick,

    I don't understand that one with the Kali Sticks. There's a martial arts store on Hastings where I used to buy all my gear. Including Native Filipino Art/Sticks.

    Canada has weird laws.



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    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
  6. Phoenix is offline
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    Canada has weird laws.

    You can say that again. In Canada, security officers are not even allowed to carry 4-D cell Mag flashlights. Stupid, eh?

    "Everybody knows...if the police have to chase you down, they're brining an ass kicking with them". - Chris Rock
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  7. Dibble is offline

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    7/11/2003 11:06am

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    Actually, the 4D cell Mag flashlights can be pretty lethal as a bludgeoning tool. But I doubt run of the mill security officers would have the proper training (including "legal judgement") to use them effectively as such.

    Here's the most probable reason why:

    Police Misconduct - Excessive Force
    Arbitration Award

    Injuries Fractured Orbit, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
    Amount of
    Settlement $410,565.00 - compensatory damages
    $106,921.00 - attorneys fees and expenses
    Special Damages Medical Bills - $19,665.00
    Plaintiffs’ Counsel Marc L. Breakstone
    Arbitrator Paul Cummings, Esq.
    Court U.S. District Court, District of Massachusetts
    Other Useful
    Information Plaintiff was a 22 year old college student who was struck by a police officer between the eyes with a heavy duty "MAG" flashlight as he was standing still with his arms raised. The attack occurred after plaintiff and several friends ran from the scene of a late night disturbance in a North Shore residential neighborhood. Immediately prior to the attack, plaintiff had run from the police around the side of a house. When he realized he had done nothing wrong, he started walking back to the street and observed a uniformed officer running towards him. He immediately stopped walking and raised his hands as if to surrender. The defendant, a patrolman with the defendant police department ran at plaintiff and delivered a severe blow between plaintiff's eyes.
    No charges were brought against plaintiff who was taken by ambulance to a local hospital. When asked by another officer at the scene what happened to cause injury to his face, plaintiff, in fear of his life, stated "I fell." The defendant said nothing to the contrary at the scene. Two weeks later, the defendant officer filed a false report in which he stated that he and the plaintiff accidentally collided in a dark alley. The defendant failed to mention in his report that he was holding his "MAG" flashlight even though he told his supervisor that the flashlight might have come into contact with plaintiff's face. The defendant admitted in his deposition that he failed to mention the flashlight in his report because he was nervous about a prior incident in which he had been sued for civil rights violations by another civilian who had been beaten with the same flashlight. Defendant was suspended without pay for five days for filing a false report. No criminal charges were brought against him because there were no independent witnesses to the attack.

    Plaintiff suffered comminuted nasal and orbital fractures. He underwent plastic and reconstructive surgery which left him with microplates and screws in his face. He was left with a permanent loss of sense of smell and a significant loss of sense of taste. Plaintiff also suffered significant post-traumatic stress disorder and neuropsyschological deficits which significantly interfere with his ability to function in employment and social settings.

    Two weeks before trial, counsel for the parties agreed to submit the entire case to binding arbitration. It was agreed that in the event of an award of damages on the §1983 claim, the arbitrator would also make an award attorney's fees and expenses pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988. The insurance policy limits of the defendant city were in the amount of $500,000.00. The total award paid in the case was $517,486.00. The portion of the award over the policy limits was paid pursuant to the "supplemental coverage" provision of the policy which covered "costs taxed against the insured." Plaintiff argued successfully that an award of attorney's fees and expenses pursuant to § 1988 constituted "costs taxed" against the defendant.
  8. Simps is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Talk about scoring a hit on the sweet spot ... jebus.

    Simps
  9. Dibble is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    BTW, the lawyers' website for the bit above: http://www.bwglaw.com/cr_police.html
  10. Beatdown Richie is offline
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    Posted On:
    7/11/2003 12:35pm

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    If you want to spar with weapons (sword, staff etc) full-contact without breaking your bones, look into the weapons used by LARP players (live action role-playing, for the non-geeks). They usually have a fiberglass core for stability, some sort of styrofoam for padding, and are wrapped up in duct tape or latex. They are reasonably similar to bokken and other training weapons as far as weight is concerned, and quite stable, if they are well-made. A full hit will leave a nice bruise, but no permanent damage. Eye goggles are still recommended if you allow strikes to the head.
    There are no wrong threats, only wrong answers. (Strategy game truism)
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