Human Cockfights organized by NHB Fans

**Deadpan Scientist** · Posted On: 7/08/2003 5:50pm

4-H Camp Counselors Accused of Organizing Fights Between Children

Tuesday, July 08, 2003

ROANOKE, Va. — Sheriff's officers are investigating allegations that counselors at a 4-H summer camp (search) arranged fistfights between children ages 9 to 13, charged admission to the brawls and allowed betting.

Franklin County Sheriff Quint Overton said Tuesday that the youngsters were told to lie to parents about the fights after several campers suffered black eyes and one broke his hand.

No charges have been filed, but Overton said he had six officers investigating the five-day camp that began June 30 at the Smith Mountain Lake 4-H Educational Conference Center (search).

"It's hard to believe anyone would do this," Overton said. He said he heard that campers were charged $1 for admission, and that the counselors and children could bet up to $4 per fight.

The sheriff said investigators have talked to several parents since the first complaint came in Monday from Richard Rawls, who said his 10-year-old son came home with a black eye. Rawls said his son claimed at first that he had been hit by a basketball.

"They pitted these kids against each other like a damn cockfight," Rawls said.

Rawls said his son was forced to defend himself five times during the week. He won the first four fights, but was knocked out the fifth time.

"He's OK now, I guess. He's been crying, and he told me today he wants to go to the doctor," Rawls said.

While girls attended the camp, the sheriff said the fights involved only boys. Boys who did not want to participate were confined to their cabins, Overton said.

About 300 children attended the camp last week at Smith Mountain Lake (search). It was organized by the Bedford County chapter of the Virginia Cooperative Extension.

The camp was supervised by teen counselors, 14 to 18 years old, and adult counselors, 19 and older. Four teens and two adults were in charge of the lodge where the fights allegedly occurred, said Charlie Stott, spokesman for Virginia Cooperative Extension.

If the accusations prove true, Stott said, "it's certainly an isolated incident."

Calls to the national 4-H headquarters were referred to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees the 4-H. A USDA spokeswoman did not immediately return a call.

Smith Mountain Lake is one of six 4-H camps in Virginia with activities ranging from rifle marksmanship and archery to computer science, journalism and the performing arts. They serve more than 26,000 campers every year.

Camp counselors generally come from local 4-H chapters and are mostly volunteers, who must have 24 hours of training on working with young people and emergency procedures, Stott said. The camps also have at least one full-time paid staff member.

The 4-H program was founded to educate children in home economics and agriculture, but today more than half of the participants are from cities and suburbs. Youngsters pledge their head, heart, hands and health -- hence, 4-H -- to such goals as loyalty, clearer thinking, community service and better living.

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**Fighty McGee** · Posted On: 7/08/2003 5:57pm

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**FingerorMoon?** · Posted On: 7/08/2003 6:08pm

He should be proud, his son went 4-1 in one week.
And really, by the time you get to your 5th fight, you can't really claim to be at your best :)

But seriously, what is the mentality of people who organise this stuff?
Even if they had no morals at all, was their IQ so low they couldn't figure out they'd be caught very quickly.

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**BlackBeltNow** · Posted On: 7/08/2003 11:57pm

How did this happen? (what/s 4H btw?) How did a good camp have a bad branch? How was this camp advertised...as a regular summer camp? Iono the whole ting sickens me and makes me curious but i'm too lazy to read the whole thing carefully

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**Deadpan Scientist** · Posted On: 7/09/2003 12:13am

Camp counselors generally come from local 4-H chapters and are mostly volunteers, who must have 24 hours of training on working with young people and emergency procedures, Stott said. The camps also have at least one full-time paid staff member.

The 4-H program was founded to educate children in home economics and agriculture, but today more than half of the participants are from cities and suburbs. Youngsters pledge their head, heart, hands and health -- hence, 4-H -- to such goals as loyalty, clearer thinking, community service and better living.

**Kungfoolss** · Posted On: 7/09/2003 12:50am

Brand, the camp counselors were probably stylists which explains this deviant behavior.

**J-kid** · Posted On: 7/09/2003 1:14am

Whats wrong with kids brawling :D .

They shouldnt be forced to fight thats bs.

**Kungfoolss** · Posted On: 7/09/2003 1:17am

Whats wrong with kids brawling :D .

They shouldnt be forced to fight thats bs.

From what I heard on the news today, the adults at the camps encouraged the kids to lie about the incident. Great role models...

**BlackBeltNow** · Posted On: 7/09/2003 2:37am

Brand, the camp counselors were probably stylists which explains this deviant behavior.

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no it doens't. ppl who like NHB are blodo thirsty ppl. they dn't believe in karate or wahtever. they just want to see kids bleed and bruse the other

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