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  1. SLJ is offline

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    7/08/2003 8:56am

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    Merc, I have no idea who that is.

    I'm guessing he's someone who created his own religion for money, and he wasn't very humane.

    Don't ask me where I got that from though.


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    As for "chi bolts" and other such nonsense...

    This has nothing whatsoever to do with authentic TMA training. Neither does the kind of "qinggong" or lightness training that is supposed to be able to make you fly. These legends are extrapolations on what TMAs *do* train--things like energy transfer along the length of the body, and agility/"lightness" while stepping or otherwise contacting surfaces. [respectively] TMAs can train *uncanny* sensitivity and muscular efficiency, but it was never supposed that you could, say, deny your own mass and walk on the edge of a pot without tipping it. Those are the elaborations of novelists, hagiographers, and overzealous nth-generation students.
  3. MrMcFu is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/08/2003 9:05am

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    I think the MMA people just ran out of steam repeating the same stuff to the TMAers that post ,"Here is my style's website, tell me what you think".

    I will never forget the guy who swore his 170 lb. instructor could beat Bob Sapp, or that I could, with proper Chi cultivation and tens years training, do the same.

    http://www.zanshin-dojo.de
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    Posted On:
    7/08/2003 9:14am


     

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    It'd be like me telling you I can walk on water, not showing you, and then asking YOU to prove ME wrong.
    Bollocks. Walking on water is impossible.

    Killing a man is not.
  5. SLJ is offline

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    7/08/2003 9:24am

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    OK then, I can survive a 15,000 ft fall from a plane with no chute.

    I'm never actually going to do it of course, or prove it to anyone, but I need not, it's possible.

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    Space may be the final frontier,
    But it's made in a Hollywood basement.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias
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    Posted On:
    7/08/2003 9:26am


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    "Bollocks. Walking on water is impossible."

    Saying your technique is too deadly to demonstrate is still bullshit. You could demonstrate and surpress the lethality of the strike/lock etc

    For example when learning devastations we don't all break each overs legs/arms, you evade throw the strike that would devastate the joint but surpress so that no or little contact is made. You train accuracy but aren't actually doing any damage.

    People from arts that claim to be "too deadly" need to put up or shut up. The fact that walking on water is impossible is irrelevant.
  7. SLJ is offline

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    7/08/2003 9:29am

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    It's OK, I have now changed the outrageous claim to something that is possible. Now there is no difference.

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    Space may be the final frontier,
    But it's made in a Hollywood basement.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias
  8. Middlemoor is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/08/2003 9:35am


     

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    The fact that walking on water is impossible is irrelevant.
    No, it is not irrelevant. It's just a terrible comparison. At least there is some sense in not wishing to demonstrate dangerous techniques to your students, but there is no sense in comparing that to claiming you can do the impossible.

    You both have made it sound like lethal techniques are pure fiction.





    Edited by - Middlemoor on July 08 2003 09:39:08
  9. SLJ is offline

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    7/08/2003 9:39am

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    Surviving a 15,000 ft fall is also possible, what's the difference ?

    I'm not attacking you, but the claims use the same logic.

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    Space may be the final frontier,
    But it's made in a Hollywood basement.
    "You realise the transformations give a man enough strength to destroy a truck with his bare hands!?
    YOU HAVE BETRAYED ME, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MANNER!!" - KiWarrior

    "Sport ? That kind of thing's not my bag baby!" - Sammy Franco

    "This system was developed with the help of notible BJJ fighter Ribbon Muchado." - "Sifu" Anthony Iglesias
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    Posted On:
    7/08/2003 9:53am


     

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    Surviving a 15,000 ft fall is most improbable.

    On the other hand, the chances of you killing a man with your bare hands are quite high as long as you apply the right techniques.

    That doesn't mean that these guys shouldn't find ways to demonstrate how thier lethal techniques work, but you can't compare them to rediculously improbable (or impossible) situations.

    It's like me saying my car is too fast for your track, so you compare my excuse to claiming I can make my car fly. Maybe I just don't want to slow down my car, for whatever reason?

    You'd be better off just criticising the claims themselves rather than going to foolish lengths to try to make them seem absurd.



    Edited by - Middlemoor on July 08 2003 09:56:54
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