Posted On:7/20/2003 3:59am
Jarmine - it largely survived beacuse it adapted in the 1920's to become the "in thing" for Chinese literati and the like as part of the movement to promote native Chinese arts.
Posted On:7/20/2003 12:37pm
I did tai chi for like 5 or 6 years. Mostly yang style but I started in Chen style near the end. As anyone who knows me can tell you, I am not a fan. I don't like it that much at all. (It was a part of the curriculum at my CMA school though and I had to learn it) However, I still use a few techniques that I learned from Tai Chi, and I know several people who can kick your ass severely using tai chi and nothing else. If trained right, it is fucking scarily effective. I never liked it because it doesn't fit my personal style or ideology at all. And I still laugh at pretty much anyone that tells me they study tai chi, because the sux rate is really more like 99.999999999999999999999% and the odds are very much in favor of incompetency on the part of whoever I encounter that does it. And on the plus side, the rare individual who is really good at it, is very unlikely to kick my ass for laughing at him :)
But I give a thumbs up to the skeptics. I didn't believe it till I saw it, and neither should anyone else. Unlike what some people think, I don't feel that the uninitiated skeptic should keep their mouth shut, but if you run your mouth while keeping your eyes closed, then you are a fool. If and when you encounter evidence contrary to your ideas, don't be blinded by your agenda.
Shut up and train
I read the first post. Great another "does TC work?" person.
Then I was planning on going to the last page to blast various n00bs there, but hark! Fisting Kittens makes a great intelligent post! And he has experiance too! And as someone who has taken Tai Chi myself, I flipping agree!!!!!!
Debate ended. Period.
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Posted On:7/20/2003 8:28pm
Peedee, Osiris, and MrMcFu,
Thank you very much. You've managed to make my point. Outside of some ring/octagon/cage/mat with RULES it doesn't hold up. You need a compliant surface, one opponent, and no weapons.
The title bar in my browser reads "Bullsido.com: Exposing Fraud and BS in the Martial Arts". You guys are pretty good at it.
You want to play by a set of rules and make assumptions. Then someone (me) implies going outside the rules and you go ape ****.
So in other words, youll stab your opponent. Thats only a reflection of competency if Peedee also has a knife.
Well then Mr. numnutz, I guess I'll bring my good ol PUMP ACTION and show you how WORTHLESS your little knife is. Since your using your knife fighting art, I'm going to use MY art, the one my good ol Marine Corp daddy showed me: How to shoot a fukking shotgun. Its called "Anti fake shidtalker-do" and it will RUIN your Kali.
I have to assume this is without weapons. A challenge issued where one guy has one and the other guy doesn't makes absolutely zero sense, so I am discarding the possibility for you.
My original post:
I don't do MMA/BJJ/Vale Tudo/etc again it doesn't fit my personality and is just about the last thing one needs to be doing in a real life honest to God street fight.
Posted On:7/20/2003 10:32pm
I don't think it's the last thing one needs to be doing in a streetfight. I can think of worse things. Like stabbing someone and going to jail. Or just PULLING a gun and going to jail.
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Posted On:7/21/2003 1:01am
I cannot comment on whether taiji actually works in real combat or not , as I have not witnessed a fight including one of its practitioners , but Erle Montaigue who is considered one of the greats of taiji in the modern day has a book on his internet site www.taijiworld.com which can be downloaded in pdf format called "How to use Taiji as a fighting art" , the foreword is by Dan Inosanto and may give further insite into this topic and perhaps taiji's practicality ?
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Posted On:7/21/2003 1:30am
Let me spell it out. If you have a knife and your opponent doesn't, you should win 99.9% of the time. Do you carry around a knife wherever you go? Do you need that kind of advantage against the unarmed?
Don't forget to Kimura yourself after every meal.
Posted On:7/21/2003 3:26am
Well, does sparring a Taiji guy count?
One of my friends is one the Beijing Wushu team, she's Li Jingjin, she specialises in Taiji. Now as much as i hate Wushu, i have to admit that her Taiji is pretty awesome, her muscle power is mindblowing as she can hold certain stances for hours on end. Anyway, whenever we spar, she doesn't necessarily win, but she never really loses either, most of the time i get tired first from all my takedown attempts.
Taking a break
Posted On:7/21/2003 7:01am
I don't know if Erle Montaguie is the greatest living taiji guy or whatever, as I find it hard to take seriously someone who looks like Billy Connolly. His videos are ok though.
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Posted On:7/21/2003 8:07am
The taiji "jury" is very much out on whether what EM does is "real" taiji. Then again, most of them can't even agree amongst themselves what it is.
Holding stances for hours is nice but still doesn't make for a "combat" system.
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