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    This thread on the KMAA page actually explains some of the certification process:

    http://www.kravmaga.com/forum/discussion.cgi?forum=1&discussion=2365

    Also in the thread John Whitman, senior KM instructor in LA, restates an open invitation to anyone to come and experience the week long Instructor Phase training to see what the KM instructors have to go through to become certified.

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    I can also add that in America, Krav Maga Black belt testing is done only upon invitation, I obtained this information from David Cook a former Krav teacher.

    I have noted with interest that various Israelis are now teaching "Military" fighting styles in the United States. The biggest promoters seem to be Mike Kanarek, a "Israeli Golani Brigade Special Forces veteran" who teaches F.I.G.H.T. "Fierce Israeli Guerrilla Hand to hand Tactics" his website is at www.fight2survive.com and Nir Maman who is selling his system through TRS. I got this information from Black Belt Magazine, March 2003, pp. 21,47-49. Perhaps since Israel is a small country you have run across one of these guys Amir and if so I would be interested in your comments.

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    Sorry

    I didn't meet any of them

    Amir

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    In many arts it is impossible to truly judge the level of your instructor based upon the level or belt he has. You have to train and decide whether or not what you are learning is applicable. (unless you do a TMA whose goal is form not function)

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    There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.

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    I agree

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    hello,
    The article from black belt is correct in a general way.
    Even among the different km sites in Israel you will find different versions of the history of km.
    I have been researching kapap for the past four years and still some details remain unclear.
    kapap started in 1941, prior to its inception a mix of knife, boxing, and judo was being taught to Haganah members.
    In 1940 Moshe Horvitz developed a fighting system using a 60 cm stick.
    The same year was given R. Lang's book about the walking stick technique.
    He was ordered by the Haganah to teach it as well even though he did not like it.
    In 1941 Moshe was invited to teach the first kapap instructors course for the Palmach.
    Imi Lichtenfeld arrived in Israel in 1942 and was immediately brought to the palmach
    for his boxing and wrestling skill.
    For the whole time the palmach existed he was part of a team of instructors who taught hand to hand combat which include knife, jujutsu/judo, boxing, and both of the stick methods which Imi did not personally teach.
    With the formation of the IDF he was drafted to teach hand to hand combat and continued to do so until the mid 1960's when he retired and opened a school in Natanya.
    In 1978 a board of prominent martial artists hired by the IDF voted Krav-Maga as the official hand to hand combat system to be taught to soldiers for its simple and effective approach that can be taught to a soldier in ten short lessons.
    This structure happens to be a hold over from Moshe Horvitz curriculum.

    Noah.

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    Sorry for the multiple posts,
    im new to this.
    Noah

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    No problem Noah, if you look at the top icon bar on your posts there is a delete function so you could delete your extra ones if you so desire.

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    Welcome to the site Noah. Nice to know we're getting more hits and members from Israel. With all that's going on over there, substandard/fraudlent martial arts training can be a matter of life and death.

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    Thanks for the welcome,
    Unfortunately there seem to be more frauds
    and shallow teachers/practitioners out there than one can keep up with.

    Noah Gross

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