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  1. TaeBo_Master is offline
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    Yiliquan.... no one is saying that the entire USMC is doing WT. Saying that marines are learning WT could mean anything from 2 marines up to all marines...

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    Yiliquan.... no one is saying that the entire USMC is doing WT. Saying that marines are learning WT could mean anything from 2 marines up to all marines...

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    I know... Just trying to keep it clear, that's all... I have run into far too many folks that claim they were "official" instructors for the Army or whatever, when in fact all they had was a 6 month contract (standard deal) with the gym on post to teach a class to the community... From that they market themselves as some kind of high speed, combat effective, military instructor, when in fact they probably only taught a handful of people, and half of them were wives and kids (not soldiers).
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    "What about Grav Maga? (is that the right spelling) wasnt that designed for army use?"

    Yes, it was. However, I believe the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) is one of the few militaries in the world that makes extensive use of Krav Maga, unfortunately.

    But that makes sense, since they developed it anyway. If you can get your hands on it, there's an awesome book called "Fighting Fit", by Col. David Ben Asher. It talks all about Krav Maga and the IDF's training regimen. It's a good book, anyway.
    Black Belt magazine excerpts-

    November 2002

    Birth of krav maga

    To prepare soldiers for combat and to instill a warrior spirit, in the 1980s the IDF (Israeli Defense Force) created a boot-camp-style hand-to-hand program called krav maga (krav means "combat" or "fight," and maga means "touch" or "contact"). Krav maga is a well-rounded hybrid system which encourages students to be aggressive and decisive in conflict. It includes hard-hitting hand and elbow strikes, thai-style knee strikes, low kicks, grappling, knife defense, gun and rifle takeaways, and lots of physical conditioning. The original concept of krav maga was to absorb any martial art that was useful by taking its most effective techniques and teaching them quickly and efficiently.

    Krav maga offshoots

    In late 1980s krav maga was also being taught to the Israeli public. Since everyone in that society serves in the military, most of the population had been exposed to it anyway. In fact, the name of the art became so common that it was used as loosely in Israel as the word karate is used in America. Variations sprang up everywhere. By the 1990s, everybody was claiming to be a krav maga master or a 10th degree black belt.

    Some of the original instructors of krav maga got so fed up with people claiming that their krav maga was the "true-version taught to elite units" that they dropped the term krav maga from their vocabulary altogether. With so many people laying claims to the krav maga system, many veteran instructors felt a need to regulate what was, and was not, pure krav maga. Several organizations stepped up to the plate: the krav maga association, krav maga federation, krav maga union, Israeli krav maga, international krav maga federation, krav maga and so on.

    A few years ago, the Wingate Institute, a respected Israeli sports organization, claimed to have the exclusive rights to krav maga for licensing and curriculum purposes. Although it was recently defeated in court, the organization is appealing to the Israeli Supreme Court. Many in the military community are outraged at the Institutes attempt to gain control of the name.

    Since the commercialization of krav maga in Israel, there has been a movement away from using these terms altogether.
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    So, the IDF created Krav Maga. That's exactly what I said.

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    I heard that krav maga was developed from "defendu" the unarmed system the british /americans used in WWII developed by Col.Applegate and some other guy.Apparently its modified boxing mixed with Kano jujitsu techniques!!
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    Actually, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Defendo is a fairly new concept which was actually derived from the William Fairbairn styles of unarmed combat....sorry, I can't remember the exact name off hand.

    But anyway, I think that Krav Maga was invented first.

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    Posted On:
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    Reports have shown that the death toll of Marine has risen by 900000000000%, early sources indicate that they tried to fight using the very very very extremely popular form of Kung Fu know as "WIngztdsts CHunzxn"* against arabic children, hand-to-hand. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

    BTW thanks for the videos...I think I've seen these...I like how they're going at full speed - but full contact? I don't think so. Impressive for WT though - but all just consenting "sticky hands" with a few strikes thrown in.

    Thank you for those though, I'll add them to my "collection". <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

    (j/k Wing Tsun'ers, don't get offended now please <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> )

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    Posted On:
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    Blade... you can come to the chum sut gym and we will prove to you that WT works. Just hop on a ferry and come over. My instructors phone number and the address of the club is available at www.chumsut.com

    We will be happy to spar with you :-)

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    i love you das, will you marry Blade?

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    lol why the **** would i do that?

    (1) He's a guy
    (2) I'm a guy
    (3) I have a girlfriend
    (4) If you're the one who loves me, why don't *you* want to marry me?

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