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    how do pull ups do your shoulders?

    Just try upright rows...

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    you have to use your shoulders to flex the trapezius muscles which pull you up.

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    The trapezius muscle doesn't pull you up when doing pullups, the Latissimus Dorsi does. The biceps play a secondary role in that they flex the arm. The trapzeius might paly a teriary role.... but it's main use is the motion of shrugging your shoulders. Pullups do work the rear deltoids a little bit.... but you're better of doing any variety of presses or raises for that.

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    Monday: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
    (in order; all iron exercises done ideally in three sets of ten, give or take. Bodyweights done in three sets, to failure)
    Bench
    Flyes
    Dips
    Pushups
    Lateral raises
    Shrugs
    Military Press OR Upright Rows
    Hindu Pushups
    Kickbacks
    Skullcrushers/French Press

    Wednesday: Back, Biceps, and Forearms. Also the day where nothing really happens.
    Pull-ups (medium grip)
    Dumbell rows
    Barbell rows
    Hammer curl
    Standing dumbell curl
    Reverse Curls
    Weighted wrist rotations

    Friday: Legs, lower back (the day where I kick ass and take names)
    Squats
    Deadlifts
    Forward Lunges
    (the next three exercises are done as one uberset)
    Calf presses
    Leg extensions
    Standing hamstring curls
    Hindu Squats

    Abs are trained three times a week in the form of inclined crunches. (Not to hijack this thread or anything, but I'm considering putting a weight on my chest for extra resistence; that's not going to **** up my lower back, is it?) Cardio I've been slacking on lately; I'm already too thin, and I've got naturally great stamina. Same for flexibility. I'm trying to get back into my groove, though; I'll usually do about an hour and a half of cardio a week, sometimes more. Pretty much always in the form of heavybag drills.

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    The trapezius muscle doesn't pull you up when doing pullups, the Latissimus Dorsi does. The biceps play a secondary role in that they flex the arm. The trapzeius might paly a teriary role.... but it's main use is the motion of shrugging your shoulders. Pullups do work the rear deltoids a little bit.... but you're better of doing any variety of presses or raises for that.
    Pull-ups are probably one of the most important exercises you can do, regardless of whether or not you primarily do weights or body weight. Lat pulldowns just don't cut it either.

    Boyd, you've referred in the past to your problems with making strength gains. One problem may be that you are way over training (IMO). I'd think that you would be better in splitting up your workouts more.

    Also when I combine muscle groups for working out I like to work opposing muscle groups (ex. back and chest, bi's and tri's). Otherwise on set of muscles is going to invariably get shortchanged. If you're still building strength it probably won't matter but it might break you out of plateaus.


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    Well, I recently broke out of a minor plateau regarding my chest, tri's and shoulders. I'm improving, just very slowly. That, I guess, is to be expected when you're seventeen and never eat. My legs fucking rock. I'm adding 12-16 pounds to my squat and deadlift A WEEK, and I feel great.

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    I was wondering if the TotalGym is any good? Anybody use it? Of course, the adverts make it look phenominal but I want some real opinions please.

    Thanks.

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    My dad used to have a Total Gym, and I used it a fair amount. It's good for what it is... but it soon begins to lack the ability to give you enough resistance. At first it's going to be great, but once you get stronger, you'll need more. If you want a home machine, and can spend a little more money, you're much better off with a Bowflex (another one I've used)

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    If you are thinking about a home gym, just buy a barbell and plates.

    Thats all you need when strength training.
    Most everything else was designed to get people into gyms.

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    I agree with FoM. But you'll also need a rack of some kind or else you won't be able to do the most fundamental exercises (bench press, squat) because these either require a rack with pins if you're doing freeweights, or a spotter.

    I bring this issue up because I assume by the fact he's looking into an all in one gym, that he'll be working out alone.

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