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    You'd THINK this is a n00bie topic. And maybe it is. But I'm a God among men.

    What are some fundamental differences you've experienced in your respective grappling styles? Here are some of my observations.

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    Very aggressive. Focus is put on GETTING THAT SUBMISSION. The idea is that the first person to hit is usually the winner (in general). So the focus is very much on the attack, and continuing the attack.

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    First thing they teach you: positional escapes. Lots of focus on transitioning and flowing. Lots of focus on positional dominance as well.

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    Unfortunately, I had a pretty bad judo experience in terms of groundwork, but some observations: Pin-oriented in that once you get the pin, you don't HAVE to go for the submission to win. I find that a lot of judoka have a very static style. By static I mean that once superior positioning is found, there is very little movement.

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    I don't know if I would paint BJJ as being an art of 'positional dominance'. Most BJJ guys I've rolled with were pretty non-chalant about being taken down and starting from guard or half guard. I would say one of the main strengths of BJJ is sheer technical skill and position control (as opposed to dominance).

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    position control (as opposed to dominance)
    I thought that was pretty much the same thing?

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    Well, most BJJ books seem to talk about positional dominance as being the general strategy.
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    Anyone have enough experience with catch wrestling to comment on this? I'm really interested in it... At least as Tony Cecchine teaches it, it doesn't have to do with positional dominance. He claims to focus more on controlling the opponent from whatever position you are in (he calls positional dominance a myth).

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    Ref BJJ, positional dominance is key. The steps to it are what makes BJJ special.

    Ralek told me one time, the only position to be in is the mount, nothing else.



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    Edited by - anthony_a on June 20 2003 18:30:03
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".

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    "Unfortunately, I had a pretty bad judo experience in terms of groundwork, but some observations: Pin-oriented in that once you get the pin, you don't HAVE to go for the submission to win. I find that a lot of judoka have a very static style. By static I mean that once superior positioning is found, there is very little movement."

    Okay so basically you're saying you want to be the big man and start poking your opponent in the asshole while he's pinned?

    Edited by - Middlemoor on June 20 2003 20:22:57

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    "position control (as opposed to dominance)"
    yes and no...
    wouldn't the top position be considered "dominant"?
    then you could be in guard and be more in control

    i don't know what i'm talking about

    "Okay so basically you're saying you want to be the big man and start poking your opponent in the asshole while he's pinned?"
    wtf?

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    Is there something wrong with that Middlemoor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".

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    There's nothing wrong with it if you're trying to seperate two dogs.

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