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**Stipe** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 4:22am

What exactly is your experience with aikido?

I already said it, people who aren't tough enough to do wrestling and women do aikido.
In an aikido dojo you can find skinny men, fat men, and clumsy women who train twice a week, and you are highly unlikely to find big strong men there.
Let alone NHB fighters.

"MMA grapplers do wrestling, BJJ and Sambo, period. ALL MMA FIGHTERS do wrestling and BJJ; it may not be their main art, but they all DO IT, cause they know they HAVE TO if they want to keep on fighting."

This is not true.

Is this the part where I flood you with every last NHB fighter's name you ever heard of and ask you what was he training if not BJJ/wrestling/Sambo?

- Stipe -

**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 4:56am

GO AHEAD!!!

The problem here is you used an ABSOLUTE (ie ALL) All I have to do is name ONE that doesn't study BJJ, Wrestling, or sambo. (and yes they ARE OUT THERE!!!) To prove what I said is true.

GO AHEAD FIRE AWAY!!!
Then I will fire once and prove you wrong!!!

Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

**Stipe** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 6:20am

&gt; The problem here is you used an ABSOLUTE (ie ALL) All I have to do is name ONE that doesn't study BJJ, Wrestling, or sambo. (and yes they ARE OUT THERE!!!) To prove what I said is true.

Ok, on my side of the scale, top MMA fighters that do what I said they do for grappling (BJJ, wrestling or Sambo) off the top of my head I can call out these -
Coleman, Kerr, Bobish, Belfort, Silva, Sakuraba, Ortiz, Sperry, Nog, Nog II, Arona, Rua, Vov, Royce, Rickson, Renzo and the rest of the Gracies, Ruas, Taktarov, Severn, CroCop, Big Daddy Goodridge, Herring, Ricco, Erikson, Henderson, and so on.

Where are the mighty aikidoka squad members?

Whining in the "you said ABSOLUTE" manner is pointless splitting hairs, your last straw here.

NO top fighter of today became what he is without at least SOME BJJ, or at least the hybrid called "combat wrestling". They all do it.

Now give me a name of one successful fighter that knows jack **** about BJJ/wrestling/sambo.

&gt; Then I will fire once and prove you wrong!!!

You mean you'll prove that MMA grapplers ARE very fond of aikido?

Good luck.

- Stipe -

**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 8:00am

&gt;CroCop

Don't think I've heard of him. It the trainer of yor kickboxing coach, n'cest pas?

First person came to mind was

Jermaine Andre

He is a Japanese JJ player (remeber you said BJJ, splitting hair or not) but I think he is taking up Sambo as well. He IS found of AIKIDO and Japanese swordsmanship.

Haru Shimanishi is a KARATE KA (gasp) as well as Japanese JJ player. Former competitor now trainer, considered to be a top trainer.

Want more?

&gt;You mean you'll prove that MMA grapplers ARE very fond of aikido?

No just prove your statement was false.

Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 8:18am

Also Igor Vovchanchyn. He is mainly a kickboxer. I admit I don't know the extent of his grappling training.

Semmy Schilt, he does mainy Karate, kickboxing and pancrastion.

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**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 8:23am

MARVIN PERRY, got to thank a friend for mentioning him, He does KUNG FU and San Shou. I don't think he has ANY real grappling experience.

Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

**Stipe** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 8:58am

&gt; &gt; CroCop

&gt; Don't think I've heard of him. It the trainer of yor kickboxing coach, n'cest pas?

Eh. You never heard of him?
That is quite amazing :&gt;

&gt; &gt;You mean you'll prove that MMA grapplers ARE very fond of aikido?

&gt; No just prove your statement was false.

OK.
My statement is that no MMA fighter that people have actually heard of does aikido.
My statement is that ALL of the well known MMA fighters do BJJ / wrestling / Sambo things to learn their grappling.

Now prove me wrong.

&gt; Semmy Schilt, he does mainy Karate, kickboxing and pancrastion.

For one thing, you need to look up what pancration is. For another, Semmy is in Golden Glory. He does what I said NHB fighters do.

&gt; MARVIN PERRY, got to thank a friend for mentioning him, He does KUNG FU and San Shou. I don't think he has ANY real grappling experience.

... which pretty much explains why noone has ever heard of him.

&gt; Jermaine Andre

&gt; He is a Japanese JJ player (remeber you said BJJ, splitting hair or not) but I think he is taking up Sambo as well. He IS found of AIKIDO and Japanese swordsmanship.

"Fond of aikido", as in, doesn't brutally thrash it like the rest of MMA fighters whenever given the chance?
Dude, he is in Miletich Martial Arts. If you know who Pat Miletich is you'll know what he does there. Exactly what I said.

Listen, mate, you actually went that far to list a bunch of fighters that I'll BET most people here haven't even HEARD of here.
And you've done so in comparison to a list of ALL top fighters of this date!
This is getting pretty absurd, that is supposed to prove that aikido IS widespread and popular among MMA grapplers? Four guys, two of which are in well known associations that I'll bet got nothing to do with aikido and two more that never fought a NHB fight?

Why don't you just quit fighting such a hopeless case?

- Stipe -

**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 10:46am

Let me refresh your memory

&gt;ALL MMA FIGHTERS do wrestling and BJJ; it may not be their main art, but they all DO IT, cause they know they HAVE TO if they want to keep on fighting.

This is what you said. I proved you wrong. Just admit it.

When you start soing MMA competing please let me know. So far all you come across as is an MAA Otaku with just tapes and dreams. Not a bad thing but still funny.

Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

**Gezere** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 10:48am

I know what pankration is and have fought against pancrase players BUT you didn't list Pancrase now did you!!!!

I PROVED YOU WRONG!!! Be the mature man and admit it.

Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

**samantha711** · Posted On: 7/09/2002 11:41am

Asia, I have heard of the fighters you mentioned & you did prove your point...
But, what do I know...am I just one of those "clumsy women"?? lol that Stipe mentioned??

Hey Stipe, I think the point that Asia was trying to make was...you leave yourself open if your going to make a statement like "ALL" mma do bjj/wrestling. Sure, most do & your right, I believe that to survive in Pride/UFC or any other big fight arena you need one or the other. However, even one name does prove your statement is too broad.

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