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  1. Mr.Thithy is offline

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    I'm somewhat skeptical of TMA. So it is only fair that I share this story that would seem to support TMA, I guess. Actually I don't know what the hell it supports, but it really happened and it seemed interesting to me at the time...
    In the mid 80's I saw the Clash open up for the Who in LA. While waiting for the show to begin I spotted this security guy get in an altercation in the stands with some jock. The jock was pummeling the security guy, landing punches left and right, and the security guy seemed like he was just covering up, just trying to protect himself. And he got beat down. Then this second security guy comes over. This guy looked like a big Indian, I mean India Indian, not Native American. And he took two fingers, looked like the pointer finger and the index finger of his right hand, and he jabbed the jock guy three or four times in the chest with them, just bing bing bing, like the guy's chest was a telephone and he was punching in an area code. The jock guy didn't go flying back or anything, I think he may have backed up a foot or two, but what I really remember is the way he just looked down at his chest with an expression of pain and amazement. And that was it, he didn't want to fight anymore, he just gave up. To be fair, the Indian guy was much bigger than him, but he just used those two fingers, real controlled, it wasn't like he was using size to his advantage.
    I saw this with my own eyes. So what does it mean? How the hell should I know? I wouldn't want that guy to poke ME in the chest, I can tell you that much.


    My kung fu is better than your kung fu! Ha! I know Ling Tiger style!
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    maybe you were drunk, or dreamnt it <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>


    maybe he just had very strong finderg...maybe he used a weapon and you couldn't see it...

    "Wrestling is the Martial Art of America";
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    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    If he hit him in the heart, that could explain the shock. As small an area as two fingers would provide, combined with the force he mustered behind them, would definitely cause a blow to be felt as deep as the heart.
    "The morning glory blooms for an hour. It differs not at heart from the giant pine, which lives for a thousand years."
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    I;ve got it: - he was almost definitely just scared of seeing a big Idian man commign up to him, especially after he had been throwing down with some one else...so he wanted none of it.

    "Wrestling is the Martial Art of America";
    "If you don't know how to wrestle you don't know how to fight, that's the prerequisite to fighting" David Tank Abbott
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    "The chest or the solar plexus?"

    It looked like he was hitting the guy square in the chest. Definitely not the solar plexus, but it could have been the ziphoid process.

    "Maybe you were just drunk or dreamnt it."

    I understand why you might assume this. I might suspect the same thing if I heard this story from someone else. And I DID get stoned at the concert, but AFTER I saw this. For me, the biggest problem with a story like this is that it happened so long ago. Long term memory has been proven to be very unreliable. What we think we remember is often quite different from what actually happened. Even so, I will swear that this is what I saw.

    "maybe he used a weapon and you couldn't see it..."

    This too could be a reasonable assumption. If you struck someone in the chest with a small iron bar or a sap, you could cause them a great deal of pain. But I don't think the Indian guy could conceal a weapon using just his two fingers, unless it was a blade or pointed weapon, like a long needle, but the guy didn't have any marks or blood on him. The Indian guy just used his two fingers.

    "If he hit him in the heart, that could explain the shock."

    I know people have actually died from being struck over the heart, and they weren't even hit by "martial artists," so this seems like a logical explanation. Whatever it was, it looked like it was really painful, and maybe that was why the guy looked so shocked. What really impressed me was how calm and collected the Indian guy was. It was like he gave the jock guy a quick little three second demonstration, very controlled, just bam bam bam, and that was it, the guy just gave up. And right before that, he had been throwing haymakers at the other security guy.

    "I;ve got it: - he was almost definitely just scared of seeing a big Idian man commign up to him, especially after he had been throwing down with some one else...so he wanted none of it."

    You might be joking here, but from what I remember, the Indian guy comes up to him, and the Indian guy is bigger, it's true, but the jock guy is still acting amped and agro, and he didn't look scared until the Indian guy poked him in the chest. And then he looked down at his chest like he HAD been stabbed, just kind of shocked and amazed. I don't think the Indian guy would look particularly scary until you saw him do this. He had broad shoulders and long hair in a pony tail and looked like he might be some guy who sat around and did Yoga all day or something, not like a scary guy, or even a security guy.


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    Edited by - Mr.Thithy on June 14 2003 00:32:43
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    What we think we remember is often quite different from what actually happened. Even so, I will swear that this is what I saw
    true, but I believe you anyway.

    Wasn't joking, but if you say he still wnated to fight. Like you said - he could have used a very small weapon...

    Aslo, I'll asuume you were quite far away as you "spotted" it happening, it wasn't necessarily happening right up close to you? SO maybe you just didn't see it 100% properly...combined with the fact that it wa s awhile ago

    I very much doubt that a "jock" would have heart problems, or that it would cause him aenough shock to do any damage.

    Still, interesting though, I don;t believe it would be an effective technique.



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    Edited by - Blade Windu on June 14 2003 00:56:19
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    Only shock and amazement? Not excruciating pain? Maybe the Indian poked him on the chest to get his attention, and then told him he was going to prison. Maybe the Indian told him that, underneath the security guard uniform, "he" was actually a woman. I'd be shocked and amazed. On the other hand, maybe he told the jock he was going to give him the finger of death. If I was the jock, I think it would be funny to play along and act like I was dead, or at least act shocked and amazed. Then I'd poke him in the ribs and see if he fell for it.

    Actually, did you see where the Indian's other hand was? Maybe he had caught a testicle and was applying a steadily increasing amount of pressure. I think that might be the best explanation, because, when I've found myself in that situation in the past, I'd have to describe the look on my face (gaping jaw, wide eyes, struggling for breath, etc.) as sort of "shocked and amazed" as opposed to the testicle-crunching pain I'm really feeling.

    Yeah, that's the ticket.
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    "Aslo, I'll asuume you were quite far away as you "spotted" it happening, it wasn't necessarily happening right up close to you? SO maybe you just didn't see it 100% properly...combined with the fact that it wa s awhile ago."

    This is all true. And I can't even tell you how far away I was. But, for what it's worth, I clearly remember the core element of my story, that being the Indian guy using two fingers - like you were pointing at someone, only using two fingers - to rapidly strike the jock guy in the chest three or four times, and the jock guy had an expression of amazement on his face as he looked down at his chest, and the fight was over.

    "I very much doubt that a "jock" would have heart problems, or that it would cause him aenough shock to do any damage."

    I agree with you. (And by jock, by the way, I mean like football player/fratboy-looking guy. He wasn't a small guy, he just wasn't as big as the Indian guy.)
    I didn't mean to suggest that I thought for sure the strikes had done something to the jock guy's heart - or that he had suffered any actual physical damage.
    My impression from looking at the guy's reaction was that the finger strikes had caused him an awful lot of PAIN and/or he felt an awful lot of power behind them.
    To look at the action itself, it looked like he had just been jabbed in the chest, no big deal. But to look at his face, it looked like he'd been hit with a sledgehammer. He was staring at his own chest like he couldn't believe what had happened.

    "Only shock and amazement? Not excruciating pain?"

    He looked like he was shocked at HOW painful it was. But he didn't fall down on the ground and roll around in agony or anything like that.

    "Maybe the Indian poked him on the chest to get his attention, and then told him he was going to prison."

    I don't know if he said anything or not. He might have, but I don't remember that. At the risk of repeating myself, the jock's attention was on his own chest (at least at first). He didn't look stunned by what the Indian guy might have been saying, he looked stunned by what had just happened to his chest.

    Maybe he just had a really, really sensitive chest, and the Indian guy just happened to have a habit of poking people in the chest.

    But I don't think that's it.






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    Edited by - Mr.Thithy on June 14 2003 01:37:55
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    Well I believe it isn;t genearlly goign to work, and isn;t a part of any style (at ;east not an effective one)...if that's what you want to know :D

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    PizDoff when drunk: "I'm actually MOST pissed that my target for the evening got drink...then I gave her my Bullshido Canada hoodie like a gentleman because she was outside with not much on...did I mention she barfed twice when I got our jackets...steaming barf is kinda fascinating..." - PizDoff.
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    "Still, interesting though, I don;t believe it would be an effective technique."

    I agree with you Blade. I'm not advocating using two fingers to defend yourself, no way. But in THIS instance, in this particular situation, for the INDIAN GUY, it DID seem to be a very effective technique, because it stopped the jock guy dead in his tracks.

    Let's say the Indian guy spent hours hitting bags of rice every day with just those two fingers. (I hate to keep calling him the "Indian guy," but I don't know what else to call him. The "Finger guy?") So he does this every day for years and years, until he can deliver very powerful thrusts using just those two fingers. (I'm just making this up, of course, I have no idea what he did. But for the sake of argument, let's just say that's what he did.)
    So now he can hurt someone using just those two fingers. Fine. Say he gets in a scrap with a hardcore street fighter, or someone who trains NHB. Are those two fingers going to help him out all that much? My guess is they won't.
    So please don't see this as my endorsement of the Two Fingers of Death defense. It isn't. (that title, by the way, is a joking reference to an old Martial Arts movie, called "The Five Fingers of Death." It played at the drive-in when I was a kid.)

    I will say THIS in the Finger Guy's defense, however. My impression, and again, this is only my IMPRESSION, is that he wasn't trying to beat the jock guy physically. He wasn't trying to knock him down or really damage him. My sense is that it was just a little demonstration of what he could do, and he had other techniques he could use. His approach to the violent jock was, "You want to **** with me? Look what I can do to you using just my two fingers. Keep it up and you’ll get much worse." And it worked. That's my theory, but I couldn't swear that's what really happened. All I know, is what I've told you I saw.


    My kung fu is better than your kung fu! Ha! I know Ling Tiger style!

    Edited by - Mr.Thithy on June 14 2003 02:05:20
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