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  1. Omega Supreme is offline

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    I think it would be good to start of what we agree is myth or misconception and go from there to help us dissect what we all know not be true, exagerated are just plain ridiculousness. Of course we could always pre qualify some of that with "some believe, or some school of thoughts think"

    <<<<<this is not the true Omega and he's going to kill me if he finds I'm on his computer>>>>>

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    me,

    You are right that there are books out there on history..However, the average person will not really know where to look for them, plus they are just one perspective of the whole. Here we could have several people contributing their findings and we can pick out the similar facts that they all contain. This is what I tried to do when I did my original papers.

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    "Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"
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    My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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  3. KC Elbows

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    A recommendation.

    First, Phrost is right, kung fu would be impossible, as it's like a thousand arts.

    Second, the easiest way to do it is to make a thread dedicated to that, in a forum only for such threads. Each thread gets titled with the name of the art. We begin with the arts that have the most representation on bullshido- tkd, wing chun, jkd, bjj, wrestling, and so on. We determine who is the most knowledgeable rep in THAT group, and let them take charge for a while.

    Then, we make certain threads for the well known for the wrong reason schools, the ashida kim schools, the chung moo quan schools, shaolin do, etc. Now, this is where it gets hard, because it is impossible to come up with a real history of said groups without former insiders. However, I know that there are organized groups of former insiders collecting exactly such data on chung moo quan, jungyae moosul, one mantis chain, and temple kung fu. Links to their forums could be used to establish some info. This has the end effect of attracting more insiders to converse. I know this because that's how it worked with chung moo- as soon as the group we founded became known, insiders began to contribute to our timeline, our list of schools, our listing of higher belts, their reasons for leaving, etc.

    So, what needs to be done is a forum set aside, much like KFSS's cage. From there, only threads titled after specific arts should be allowed, and the threads should periodically be culled of extraneous info(for instance, because the point is to collect the raw data, pointless conversation shouldn't intrude, as the rest of the forum is good for that- that way, someone wanting to know about that art doesn't have to sift through two members arguing or such).

    So, if a space is made, I'll start titling threads, and begin the oomyungdoe/chungmooquan thread with the info as we've collected it thus far.
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    Posted On:
    6/04/2003 1:36pm

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    Again, I have the some research on the kwans of TKD so let me know. I am not saying I am the authority, just that I have some info to share

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    "Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."
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    "Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"
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    My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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  5. KC Elbows

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    And we must come to a consensu that something is unknowable, for instance, claims that cannot be proved because of destroyed documents that might or might not have supported those claims, then functionally, the art cannot be proven to be older than that. Meaning, claims of tkd being older but documents were all destroyed by the Japanese do not change the truth that tkd can not be shown to be older than a certain date, and fix that date until more historical data is found.

    That is what we did with chung moo quan. While the founder claims that it is 1500 years old, because he has not been forthcoming with any actual historical documentation, we cannot verify it any older than the early 1970's, so we cannot just assume it is older just because someone tells us to assume that.
  6. KC Elbows

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    Yeah, Miguk should be in charge of the korean arts at the onset.
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    Posted On:
    6/04/2003 1:48pm

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    Thanks KC, but I believe that could be almost a joint effort in that area. rmclain would definetly benifit the Chang Moo Kwan aspect of TKD. He is quite knowledgeable in that school's history. I have a good foot hole in the Jidokwan history. I believe there is a person on the list that could benefit the Haedong Kumdo area as well as there is someone who can take care of the Taekkyon history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    "Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."
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    "Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"
    Quote Originally Posted by hangooknamja88 View Post
    My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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    Posted On:
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    Quick facts about Taekwon-do:

    It is a modern version of the ancient korean martial art of tae kyon, witch is about 3000 years old.

    It is the best martial art because it's main weapon is the kick, witch has more power and range
    than anything.

    It has many spinning kicks. along time ago they were used too hit invaders off horses.

    ITF is better then WTF because they have general choi who founded tkd. he was a ninth 9th degree balck belt it karate and beat all the japanese at their own art! he then made taekwon-do and beat them again!
  9. KC Elbows

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    But, miguk, there needs to be one ruling authority who misuses his authority and treats his underlings like crap, or it's just not tkd.

    Oh wait, I get it, you're promoting others as fast as you can. Well done.
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    Posted On:
    6/04/2003 2:15pm

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    Please tell me that your post was in jest JKD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    "Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."
    Quote Originally Posted by D.Murray
    "Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"
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    My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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