7/20/2006 4:13pm, #1
Accounts of Bruce Lee and Wong Jak Man fight -- please read first post
Ok, I've started to do some research into this match and things boil down to three accounts:
1965, the Oakland Chinatown community send out a decree that Lee can no longer teach westerners. Wong is elected to be the communities representative. If Wong wins a gong sau, then Lee can no longer teach westerners.
Jack Man Wong does not belie[ve] Bruce would actually fight, and tries to delay the match. Bruce becomes angered and insists that they not wait. Wong then tries to put limitations on techniques. Bruce refuses "rules"and the two go no holds barred. Bruce begins to pound his opponent in only a couple of seconds. As Bruce is winning, Wong attemps to flee, but is caught by Bruce. Bruce begins to beat him on the ground. Students of the other teacher attempted to step in and help their teacher, James Lee, Bruce's good friend prevent this. Later he is bothered on why the fight took so long and begins to re-evaluate his style.
The second version of the story has the fight ending in a draw. This one is less publicized. A full account of it can be found here (http://www.angelfire.com/pa/99vs66/1980.html). The gyst - Lee extended the challenge to Wong. The fight lasted 20 minutes. Wong had the upper hand at numerous times but couldn't seal the deal. Wong claims that it was because Lee wouldn't admit defeat and Wong didn't want to have to escalate it to a level where he'd really have to hurt Lee.
So here's the question - what evidence (beyond anecdote) is there to support either of these positions? For example, some folks have stated that the "stop teaching westerners" thing doesn't ring true because Wong himself would teach anyone willing to pay. But is there existing evidence of Wong teaching outside the community in this time frame?
Just wondering if any folks here had any connections that were worth discussing.
7/20/2006 4:28pm, #2
I live in Oakland, near some students of WJM. Its a Northern Shao Lin School that meets in a church gym.
Here is what they have to say about it - from their website, a 1980 article:
From the article:
"Only after that battle, says Wong, did he develop tremendous chi powers from the practice of Tai Chi, Hsing I, and Pakua. "
If thats any indicator."You know what I like about you, William? You like guns AND meditation."
7/20/2006 4:40pm, #3
That's the same article that I had found.
As far as the comment about the development of Chi Powers -- I take that with a grain of salt.
7/20/2006 4:43pm, #4Originally Posted by Zendetta
7/20/2006 5:02pm, #5
Yeah. Bruce Lee sucks.
7/20/2006 9:29pm, #6
Originally Posted by odacon"Prison is for rapists, thieves and murderers. If you lock someone up for smoking a plant that makes them happy, you're the fucking criminal." - Joe Rogan
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7/21/2006 1:49pm, #7
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The gym in Oakland is definitely not Bullshido. They field a pretty serious sanshou team.
7/23/2006 11:01pm, #8Originally Posted by wackamole
7/23/2006 11:34pm, #9It cannot be proven, of course, that Lee’s fatal edema of the brain was caused by Jeet Kune Do, just as it could not be proven his death was brought on by any of the other rumored causes ranging from illicit drugs to excessive sex to blows on the head. Wong thinks, to serve as a caution to those who believe they can, by themselves, develop the knowledge it has taken others many generations of cumulative effort to acquire.
How can this article be taken seriously?
7/23/2006 11:48pm, #10
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Ive always been a bit skeptical about Lee. Sure, he knew martial arts, but his primary role was that of an actor, not a fighter. His life is mixed with so much bullshit its hard to know what to believe.