Thread: Shou Shu
8/07/2007 7:48pm, #51Originally Posted by shoushutiger
8/07/2007 8:18pm, #52Originally Posted by shoushutiger
who is the Grandmaster of your school?You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM
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8/07/2007 11:00pm, #53
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The answer, Bok Fu Do
Check out some of the schools that the Richard Lee student started up . these men trained with the Moore's. See what they think of you grand masters. Remember Bok Fu (Shou Shu) is just Chinese Kenpo with a twist.
Ito's White Tiger
Robert Ito-Head Instructor
1119 Grant Ave., Novato, CA 94945
TY West Martial Arts
Tyler Hanamura-Head Ins tructor
7102 Village Parkway, Dublin, CA 94568
If Al Moore was a kung fu master when he started Kempo/ Bok Fu in the mid 60's dont you think all these men would have noticed, Al, Ralph and Jr's Moore's Kung Fu training.
Al Tracy, Steve Labounty, Ted Sumner all said thay knew of no training before Kenpo, thay never spoke about China training, and never heard the words Shou Shu in the 10 years that the Moore's were around them.
Ted Sumner. Though what they taught had it's base in tracy Kenpo, it was their own adulterant version of the art which they called Shou Shu.
Some people say that Al Sr. trained in China after World War ll for a period of time. do you know if that is true?
Ted sumner: Not to my knowledge! I have never heard anything to that effect.
They pretty much looked like average beginners when they started.
(TED Sumner) Dec. 13, 2004
Vernon Moore, "Little" Al, Moore's son, and Jerry Melvin joined in to learn the Parker system more intensely. I had a school in the Fresno area that was floundering, so I loved to teach, needed the money and liked this group of people a lot. Essentially a no brainer.
All of this was in the late 60's.
Big Al and Ralph decided to go their own way and get into the Shou Shu material.
I had no knowledge of Al Moore's training prior to his taking kenpo.Check out the Richard Lee school East West Bok Fu school. Talk with them and compare. Be up front show them what you have learned.
Check the time line, Richard Lee Left the Tracy System in the Late 60's to start Bok Fu, same time Al left to start Shou Shu, and Al Jr stayed on with Richard Lee to learn Bok Fu.
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8/08/2007 1:10am, #54Originally Posted by Truth seeker
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8/08/2007 10:14am, #57
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Richard Lee Judan under Al TracyOriginally Posted by Sevengraff
Listed by seniority
Judan Tracy Family Tree
Terry Kane is listed on Richard Lee's black belt list 1970's ( Bok Fu )
About Us - Hall of Fame - 1970s Lee's 1970's black belt list.
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8/09/2007 12:41pm, #58
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well, the reason I would rather do a kempo technique the shou shu way instead of the regular kempo way is because I found my way to be more fluid and circular. When the people I know who only trained in traditional kempo did the same technique, it was "harder" and by that I mean linear, maybe a tad more reinforced by hitting stances lower, but because of that sacrificing mobility.
And that is why I would describe shou shu as "chinese kempo". In fact, when people ask me what martial art I do, I tell them chinese kempo. That is what it feels like to me anyways. But then, where would the chinese influence have come from for moore's shou shu students? Bok fu do? And the grandmaster of my school is Shun Shifu McNabney. He started the "hei long shou shu" schools away from moores because he had recieved additional training in china, and applied it to moores shou shu. Maybe my shou shu is more fluid then moores shou shu because of that, I don't know because I don't know any moores shou shuers.
8/09/2007 2:18pm, #59
But doesn't it bother you in the slightest, shoushutiger, that the Moores are/were lying to their students with the whole "secret animal training in China" part?
If it was modified kenpo, why not just sell it as such rather than invent a story like that?
I'm not a hippy karrote dude looking for "self-cultivation" or some crap like that, but I'd at least seriously reconsider training with a teacher big lies like that to his students. Not that I really care where the art come from, but if I can't trust my teacher to give me the real deal about the origins of his own training, how could I trust him with my safety, money and time?
8/09/2007 3:58pm, #60
It's modified kenpo up until about black belt level, then it's chinese kung fu after that. Or maybe more accurately, it's Moores chinese kung fu.
Whether Al Moore Sr. learned kung fu before or after he learned kenpo doesnt concern me too much. If it did I suppose I would ask his son.
And no your shou shu is not more fluid than ours so there.