Bullshido- The Revenge
So we’ve had threads about the worst technique we’ve been taught, the worst Bullshido we’ve ever fallen for, and so forth.
Did anyone ever get revenge for these heinous acts? Ever put Sensei/Sifu in his place? Or on his ass?
After discovering the Shotokan club I trained at was a bit of a belt factory, I decided not to grade. Ever. I thought it was the best way to wind up my money-grabbing instructor. He’d outlived his usefulness anyhow; I just used the club for training partners, insurance, and access to some pretty cool courses. He saw through this after about a year, and told me that I wouldn’t be allowed on any courses because I was too low a grade. I agreed to grade.
Cue two hours of basics. And katas. And then backwards basics. Then stooopid one-step. Then semi-contact sparring a procession of senior grades.
I was gassed after about the first two opponents. I had to cover up and counter-punch. A lot. I got through about five fights.
I was barely able to lift my legs, when the grinning instructor pulled on his gloves. I guess I was going to taste some payback.
He was only ever going to come in on a straight line and try and reverse punch my teeth down my throat. I figured I had one kick left, so I set him up for a round kick to the head. Except I was wrong, I didn’t have a kick left.
I got halfway through, and my standing leg buckled from fatigue. My kicking leg couldn’t extend, I couldn’t get my hips over. I was screwed.
At the time I launched my kick, he launched his reverse… and slammed his head into my knee. Hard. I can still remember the look of total confusion in his rapidly clouding eyes. This low grade had produced the deadly forbidden knee strike of the ancients…
He passed me. I don’t think he dared do anything else.
I stayed with the club and made his life a misery as much as often as I could.
Please note… I did use the search function… If a similar thread has been posted before, I apologise.
Last edited by sochin101; 7/19/2006 10:22am at .
So you put your instructor in his place by being gassed and almost falling down whilst flailing a knee that caught him while he attacked?
Sounds like you got real lucky you didn't get KTFO.
I think disappearing and no longer paying my McDojo bills was enough "payback." Realizing I had been training in **** and had been swindled was a liberating experience, and I found that more valuable than revenge. Then again, my parents paid the McDojo fees.
My former instructor was a douche, but it was my own fault that I got suckered. Also, we had an agreement that he would start paying me to teach the kiddies but not until I got my black belt. After a few months of me helping with the chilluns (gearing up to be a paid employee), I passed my black belt test, master passed me over by hiring a new instructor to teach the kids, and I said "Oh **** That" and bailed. He looked me in the eye and tied my black belt on at the end of my test, and that's the last time he ever saw me.
Now I don't really care about revenge, because I'm training things that really challenge me and continually remind me that I have a lot to learn. My training is supposed to be about me. Sure, I'd love to go choke out all the deluded, geeky, self-righteous pricks that his school churns out, but that's just not going to happen--I'm happy putting my former training behind me and chalking it up to a character building mistake (introduction to my own naivety) and an primer in how much BS is really out there.
Again, now I train for me, so for all I care that guy can go **** himself.
Last edited by theraydiator; 7/19/2006 10:47am at .
Posted before, but I'll post again
Originally Posted by pl4zm4
I have never had an instructor that I could knock on his ass. If I can knock them on their ass I don't join their club. But I am enjoying reading about everyone elses experiences. Thanks!!
No, dude... that was the revenge scenario... he tried to tire me with a grading 6 times longer than normal, had me fight shodans and nidans when I was a really junior grade, all so I'd be softened up so he could whup me. The fact I fluked a lucky knee makes it even funnier, in my opinion. No, wait... the fact he believed I'd meant to throw the knee was funnier still.
Originally Posted by KSWolf
Amen... everytime I walked onto a mat :-)
Originally Posted by KSWolf
Missed it first time around, thanks for re-posting.
Originally Posted by pl4zM4
It sounds like the guy actually believed his own bs... I mean, there's trying to save one's face, but that guy sounds like he's in denial.
Last edited by sochin101; 7/19/2006 2:21pm at .
I posted an article on my aikido exp.
My TKD instructor died before I was old enough to understand what a mcdojo was. I know the ATA guy that took over wasn't teaching what I learned though, so I left. The other schools I've been too I was always to chicken to do anything to their face because they always had about 100 pounds on me. Now I'm more confident and I dont put up with any bullshit. I recently ran into a guy I knew from a krav maga class at an ATA school. He started talking his crap and I offered for him to come down and try a MMA class with us. It shut him up very quickly.
You are confusing the hell out of me. Help me out here.
Originally Posted by sochin101
1.) The place was a belt factory, but it had cool courses you wanted to take, so you stayed and trained without grading for a long time. Why would you want to take courses from a place/guy you don't respect?
2.) The head instructor figures out that you are training without spending the extra dough on gradings, so he limits your access to the courses until you grade, which you agreed to. If that was the rule going in, why didn't you just suck it up and grade before, even if you thought it was stupid?
3.) During this grading, he makes you fight 5-6 senior belts (which, in a belt factory, shouldn't be THAT good), and you are gassing when he goes to fight you himself? Was this three five minute rounds of hard contact, or point fighting or what? Because to me, that doesn't sound all that tough, to be honest. And, if this place were as crappy as you say, you should have been able to dominate at least some of these people.
4.) You got lucky with a knee strike that the guy should have easily blocked, but hell, we've all been hit with stuff we should've seen/blocked. And that makes it funny?
5.) You got your belt, so I'm assuming, your access to the courses was granted. Why was this guy an asshole, again?
I want to understand this, so I'm not going to roast you. A grading designed to be difficult was 'revenge'? And you got yours by getting lucky as you were collapsing? Can you explain this please?
Originally Posted by pauli
Originally Posted by melvin_peebles
Happy to help...
Originally Posted by Feryk
1:The club was part of a multi style organisation (UKASKO) and we could train with kung-fu, TKD, jui jitsu etc etc, as well as access to tournaments with good quality continuous sparring. That part of it was cool. It had little to do with him, but he was the only UKASKO club in the area.
2: The instructor got a cut of the course money, so initially he was happy to get as many of his students there as possible. There was no original stipulation of grading to go on the courses.
3:Average grading for 4th kyu would usually have been around 30-40 minutes, with sparring at the end with peer grades. He had me churning basics out for nearly two hours, then lines up four or five senior grades to fight me. There were no rounds... we fought until the senior grade was tired, semi-contact continous, I'd guess would be the most accurate description.
4: I suppose that could be a "You had to be there" moment, but the fact he'd designed the grading to fatigue me so he could prove a point by knocking me out... irony rather than an all out chuckle fest. Also, the fact he assumed I'd intended the strike, rather that a half-assed poorly executed round kick.
5: The guy was an asshole for sooo many more reasons than this, but, in my opinion, if he'd wanted to knock me the fudge out to prove a point, he should have done it himself, rather than the way he did it. As regards the courses... he'd made the stipulation, I guess he thought he couldn't backtrack.
Yeah... belt factory... gradings weren't difficult... 20-30 minutes average, a little more for higher grades. That's why I deemed them pointless. He pulls an unexpected two hour grading on me (I was the only person grading). He spent the last 30 minutes of my grading warming up as I did yet another kata.
Originally Posted by Feryk
I hope that has made a little more sense, Feryk.