What gun do I need? Also, survivalism!

**hl1978** · Posted On: 8/02/2006 1:16pm

Originally Posted by Nate1481

Diesel here (UK) has hit £1 a liter once or twice reacenlty, to lazy 1 convert that to $/gallon sorry, but veg oil is about 1/4 of that.

I do recall reading a couple years back that people got fined for tax evasion in the UK by filling up their cars with waste fryer oil.

**DAYoung** · Posted On: 8/02/2006 4:38pm

Originally Posted by dwid

He was referring to the assassination of archduke Ferdinand being the event that set the gears of war irreversibly in motion, starting World War I. Thus, the nine million killed being an indirect result of that pistol. I think so, anyway. My Western Civ is a bit rusty...

Out of the mouths of n00bs...

Thank-you, dwid. You have succeeded where so many others have failed.

**Nate1481** · Posted On: 8/02/2006 9:29pm

Originally Posted by hl1978

I do recall reading a couple years back that people got fined for tax evasion in the UK by filling up their cars with waste fryer oil.

Somewhere in Wales I belive tax is aobut 1/2 the cost of fuel here.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 8/03/2006 12:44pm

The percentage of the price of petrol at the pump which is tax is about 80% in the UK according to this debate recorded in Hansard (somebody was trying to introduce a bill which would make it law that the percentage of the price which was tax would have to be displayed at pumps) :-

http://www.publications.parliament.u...t/00208-06.htm

Here's an article about the bio-fuel incident in Wales :-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/...878234,00.html

**Roaming East** · Posted On: 8/22/2006 3:37am

Originally Posted by Robstafarian

Speaking of SA/DA, do any of you have an opinion on the Taurus 24/7 PRO? I've heard about its feed problems, but it appears that's due to magazine manufacturing errors (I have the specific info if anyone wants it). It sounds like a great gun and I can get it on the cheap. I don't see myself buying a pistol any time soon, but the geek in me wants to do the homework anyway.

That alone would keep me from ever getting it. A survival pistol that is to be put into a BOB has to be first and foremost utterly and completly reliable. a great deal of tuner 1911's get scrubbed from that list because of finicky appetites in terms of ammo and magazine/parts. Glocks may not be everybodys cup of tea but for flawless performance with a huge range of ammo types in a variety of conditions they are hard to be (just stay away from the .40 ones).

Ammo is another thing thats pretty widely gotten wrong. High performance 9mm ammo will perform anything and everything a .45 can do and more in terms of energy and damage. ammo is plentiful and is cheap as air. the problem with 9mm as a SHTF pistol is that you might not always have access to the high quality JHP rounds. in this case the .45 will prove a better pick especially since high capacity .45s are rather easy to come across. a 9mm MAY expand but a .45 will never shrink or so the saying goes.

Cant help but notice that MBR's got left out of the weapons that may be needed in a SHTF scenario. If i had a choice to only one long arm, it wouldnt be a shotty. a .308 battle rifle gives you 5 times the range, more accuracy and increased ammo capacity and carry allowance in roughly the same weight class. Ammo is sure as hell cheaper and very very widely available.

**Robstafarian** · Posted On: 8/22/2006 10:37am

Originally Posted by Roaming East

That alone would keep me from ever getting it. A survival pistol that is to be put into a BOB has to be first and foremost utterly and completly reliable. a great deal of tuner 1911's get scrubbed from that list because of finicky appetites in terms of ammo and magazine/parts. Glocks may not be everybodys cup of tea but for flawless performance with a huge range of ammo types in a variety of conditions they are hard to be (just stay away from the .40 ones).

Ammo is another thing thats pretty widely gotten wrong. High performance 9mm ammo will perform anything and everything a .45 can do and more in terms of energy and damage. ammo is plentiful and is cheap as air. the problem with 9mm as a SHTF pistol is that you might not always have access to the high quality JHP rounds. in this case the .45 will prove a better pick especially since high capacity .45s are rather easy to come across. a 9mm MAY expand but a .45 will never shrink or so the saying goes.

Cant help but notice that MBR's got left out of the weapons that may be needed in a SHTF scenario. If i had a choice to only one long arm, it wouldnt be a shotty. a .308 battle rifle gives you 5 times the range, more accuracy and increased ammo capacity and carry allowance in roughly the same weight class. Ammo is sure as hell cheaper and very very widely available.

I've replied in a new thread here.