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    I used to own an XD, and I can't get behind it for concealed carry. There is no way to decock the thing, and the safety features are all passive, so if you want to carry it around with a chambered round, it has to be cocked/ready to go. It doesn't bother some people, but I just don't trust a firing pin with all that tension on it and a live round in the chamber. Otherwise, I can generally agree that XDs are not bad buys for the money, but if you're looking for a 9mm, pay a few bucks more and get a CZ 75/85.

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    Great stuff everyone. It's much appreciated. For those asking, while I'm going to take the concealed carry class I won't actually be carrying daily or anything. I'm primarily doing this in case of hurricane since I don't expect FEMA to be much better here than elsewhere else. Yes, I'm more worried about the aftermath of a disaster than the actual disaster. I know what to do during a hurricane, but if I'm the only guy around with food/water what do I say to the hungry stranger? The hungry stranger with a little kid?


    Anyway, I found that 'disaster preparedness' is what normal people call 'survivalism'. I found a really good overview / summary of disaster preparedness on Dailykos. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/3/135832/591. If anyone wants to check it out and agree/disagree with his recommendations I'd love to hear it.

    In the defense portion of the article the guy recommends a shotgun, but as an alternative also recommends a .357 carbine rifle. If Oregon trail taught me anything its that a simple rifle is good for hunting both bison and rabbits.
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    Seems like very good points (and a good read).

    Two points in general that came to mind

    A) Overding it.
    When planning fo rthis stuff you have to be realistic. It's easy for people to come up with clever point after clever point and what you need to bring. Pretty soon you have a 200lb survival bag and you can live in the mountians for months. Cool but not practical. It's easy to over do it and add 'just one more thing'. I'm nororious for that when packing.
    When i get a chance I'm going to reread that link in depth. I'm remaking my own survival kit/go bag and I noticed quite a few helpful thigs. I'll post it for shits and giggles.

    B) Hunting.
    Guys love to think they can shoot no problem. Looks easy. Hunting also looks easy. Might be for some but I find it tricky enough. Suggesting someone hunt for food in a disaster gives me the heebie jeebies.
    In a disaster animals will be running away too. Tracking down animals, stalking and sneaking up on them, knowing where to shoot them so you don't ruin the meat. Knowing how to skin them and actually use the meat. Knowing how to store their meat because your not going to eat a deer in one sitting and you might not see another one. Crazy.
    Snaring animals. Insanely hard to do, not to mention that means you have to stay in one area (I think you should always be moving)

    In a survival setting I'd reccomend getting a book on edable plants nuts and berries, where to find water and such. You can eat and move. Relying on hunting and snaring skills to save your life when you don't have practice either will probably just make you go hungry. I always bring a few survival and firstaid books with me, just remember they add weight.

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    I watch Survivorman. I'm ready for anything!

    Actually if anything that show has taught me that I would die within hours of being stuck in a survival situation (there would be some fire-making fatality or some animal trap gone bad).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar Wong
    Actually if anything that show has taught me that I would die within hours of being stuck in a survival situation (there would be some fire-making fatality or some animal trap gone bad).
    Thats why to me a lighter and matches are important for any survival kit. As well as a leatherman tool or something similar with pliers (maybe you need to cut fences/barbed wires, saw some wood, open your food...) .
    But of course these are obvious items, together with maybe a camping stove if you spend more time away from civilization etc. etc...

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    The following is my take on gun ownership. (I was a cop and I have taught firearms before)


    Handguns require a hell of a lot of training. Most people, even cops generally suck with their gun safety and skill.

    Glocks are not newbie pistols. The lack of external safeties means that training must be of the highest quality and all of the basic rules of firearm safety must be strictly adhered to.

    If you don't plan on spending money on training (often) or joining a regular group of professional gun handlers that will help you maintain your skills, then don't buy one.

    The biggest problems with untrained shooters is the danger they pose to themselves, their families and the public because their gunhandling and judgement skills are not trained.

    And yes, logic is the rule but it is hard to say what your mental capabilities will be in a situation when you are forced to use a handgun to protect yourself. It is better to rely on instinct, training and mental if you have to. That way if one or 2 parts goes to ****, you still have something to rely on.

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    Yeah. I'd imagine that if your going to have a gun, you probably wouldn't even have to use it often, since whoever's attacking you would probably become scared at the very sight of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Gwinn
    There's nothing wrong with those guns (are you talking about the Colt pocket gun--1903 or 1908 or something like that?) but neither has any particular advantage in simplicity.

    The Colt hammerless patterns, in particular, have tiny safeties and tiny sights if I recall correctly. Nothing really wrong with that; everything did back then. But for someone's only or near-only gun, there are much better choices out there. Besides, those Colt hammerless weren't available in anything more powerful than .380/9mm Kurz, were they? And .25 and .32 acp were a lot more common.
    No manstoppers in that group.

    The Beretta Storms are neat little guns, but I don't much see the point unless you have a Beretta handgun and you want to use the same magazines. Again, a light , handy carbine that fires a pistol caliber can be useful in some situations, but not something I'd recommend for someone's main lifesaver. Having all the power of a 9mm or a .45 handgun, with all the size and weight of a short AK or AR15 pattern, is not advantageous in my mind.
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    I thought pansy socialists did Croissant Kicks? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

    It is true that a gun is more often used as a deterrent than to shoot someone. However, it only works as a deterrent because attackers believe their victims will shoot them. Don't rely on the deterrent effect. Be ready to fire until your attacker stops what he's doing to you, and be ready for the fact that he might die in the process. Most humans can see resolve.

    I'm not sure what I think about Glocks for "newbies." I like the simplicity of the Glock, although I absolutely hate stripping mine. The lack of a safety is not that different than the double-action revolvers out there, or my SIG, although the trigger is obviously not as heavy on the Glock. The rule is still finger off the trigger, and that's a rule every gun requires, safety or not.

    I actually think I'm going to trade the Glock 30 for a Sprinfield XD .45, so if I get that done I'll give a report here. I disagree about any danger with the Springfield's striker being cocked. A 1911 or a Hi-Power is commonly carried with the hammer cocked, and it's never been a big problem. The only way around this is a double action (with accompanying heavy, trigger-cocking trigger pull) or a Glock, as far as I know. That is unless you want to be cocking a single action or racking a slide when you need your weapon.

    If I carry a pistol, it has to be unloaded, so speed is not an issue for me, nor is wear on a sear spring. So take my advice with a grain of salt.
    I just don't see that it's a valid concern. It's like the old legend that your mag springs will take a set if you leave them loaded. Has anybody actually seen it happen with good quality magazines? To my knowledge, the answer is no, but you still hear from "experts" that you have to rotate your magazines to prevent the dreaded spring set.
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    Now for some gun porn.



    I love 1911's, and after buying Glocks, XD's, etc, think they are elite.

    But then again, I carry an HK USP .40 as my daily wear, so go figure.

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