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    http://www.wakefield-aikido.co.uk/gallery/14.avi

    Looks there's been some debate but it seems white's (tanto) throw was considered a valid ushiro ate (one of the techniques allowed in shodokan comp).

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    then again im in canada were muay thai is not alloewd to use elbows or knees. S
    That makes it kickboxing, not MT, isn't it???
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    Most people ignore this fact but Tomiki style has hand to hand randori too. It's not just knife to hand like you guys seem to think.
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    DAMN IT!!! I cant see the bloddy video from here all i get is the sound... Ill have to watch this one from home and answer later :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Phalange
    Most other schools of Aikido hate Tomiki, because Ueshiba said that Aikido isn't supposed to be competative at all. So even though Tomiki is a step up, it's not influencing anybody really.
    I don't think you know how right you really are. This Tomiki sensei demonstrated at one of the most popular style of Aikido's demonstrations. I don't think that anyone converted to Tomiki style.
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    never saw hand to hand version and only rules i know is the tanto one. and after a quick research only rules booklet i found was the japan aikido association and usaa and both only stipulates tanto fights!:( and YES UKE CAN THROW after verification of those rules booklets. are the rules the same as the tanto version??

    its sad i live in a place were laws on ma are so retard.!:(

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    Theres tanto randori.

    And theres tosshu randori.
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    Why does it seem like these competitions are completely disregarded when people are saying Aikido is gay and worthless? It seems like standing jiu-jitsu to me. So if you knew Tomiki Aikido and BJJ you'de be a damn good grappler in all situation, by the looks of it...maybe?

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    It's difficult to explain but Aikido isn't grappling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
    It's difficult to explain but Aikido isn't grappling.

    I've taken a class at New England Aikikai (which was much crappier then what Tomiko apears to be), I know it's not 'grappling' but it still seemed similar to stand up jiu-jitsu for some reason, ie: the flowy-**** where sort of like locks that you don't lock because the persion is constantly trying to get out of the lock and thats why they get thrown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi.1
    I've taken a class at New England Aikikai (which was much crappier then what Tomiko apears to be), I know it's not 'grappling' but it still seemed similar to stand up jiu-jitsu for some reason, ie: the flowy-**** where sort of like locks that you don't lock because the persion is constantly trying to get out of the lock and thats why they get thrown.
    The Aikkikai place in my city is complete and utter ****. It seems to be other peoples experience with the Aikkikai as well. Aikido comes from Jiu jiutsu. There are counters taught to techniques. Outside Tomiki style they are called the Kaeshi waza.
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