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  1. UpaLumpa is offline
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    Knee on face is also an acceptable alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    Knee on face is also an acceptable alternative.
    Shin on surfing the throat makes an excellent teacher as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    Wynergy,

    For that post you should be sent to gitmo.
    Grinding your elbows into their thighs is stupid and the pain is lame. What happens when you do this to more experienced students?
    Do you grapple with experienced people?

    Here's what happens: They frown at the noob who thinks that actually hurts enough to mean ****. Then they sweep you. Then the tap you by going to KOS and driving your sternum to your spine (at least thats what I do).

    Learn to open the guard properly, what you're doing is ineffective against people that know how to grapple.
    Nice Upa, the "good 'ole pointy elbow to the knee guard break technique" couple that with a "can-opener" and you got yerself a grand 'ole craptacular wrastling match.

    I agree, pointy elbow poke means you get hip heisted, triangled, or pendulum, and then arm barred. Can-opener means your get either arm barred, oma'd, of pendulum.
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    http://grapplearts.com/Guard-Pass-Arm-Behind.html

    I've seen this, had it done to me and forgotten it. Good move.
    You don't ever want to let them pin your arm.
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    **** that GJ. Try crap like that (if you should know better) and you get the pain brought on you.

    Edit: Actually that's a little harsh. When you first learn to open the guard, it does look like you're driving with the points of the elbow somewhat and it is easy to default to that.
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    7/13/2006 12:26pm

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    I get majorly irritated by the "dim mak" pass. I got a straight choke from the knees on the last guy that did it to me.

    He threw up his bockwurrst on his gi.
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    I like like to use it in no gi because my hands are so big that I can hold on to the naked wrist 'til the cows come home. When there's clothing flapping around everywhere it makes it harder.

    On using pain to open the guard, we have this blue belt with a college degree in anatomy and body mechanics who must have devoted some serious time to finding that magic spot on the thigh and turn it into more than just regular pain compliance. He can pretty much paralyse the leg so whenever his elbows start wandering you'd damn better give him something else to think about or open your guard quick.
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    I don't expect it to work on anyone with experience, and I didn't say to go for the thigh, but rather the inner knee. The only question I was trying to answer is, "how to open up the foot lace" part of guard, not passing it.

    Hrm. In retrospect I definitely stated it vaguely though. And, to be frank, there is a dearth of experienced grapplers here. In lieu of leverage, a healthy dose of pain is all we newbies have :P

    If it's any consolation, I haven't used that method in a while, most of my guard passes these days are knee-through, but only by taking advantage of the moment. I shall ask our instructor about some new passes, the only one I've had actual instruction in is the ultra basic knee to the base of the spine gi pass.
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    Everyone here knows you were talking about breaking the guard.

    Google Saulo Ribiero's gi series. There is about half an hour of free instructional material promos on the main site that distributes his videos. One of them explicitly covers opening the guard.
    While there are variations on what he shows that work as well, the posture he demonstrates is the important part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UpaLumpa
    Everyone here knows you were talking about breaking the guard.

    Google Saulo Ribiero's gi series. There is about half an hour of free instructional material promos on the main site that distributes his videos. One of them explicitly covers opening the guard.
    While there are variations on what he shows that work as well, the posture he demonstrates is the important part.
    Great referrence Upa, I second that. Saulo is the man.

    You also have to realize that there is, IMO, a giant leap in technique to take between "passing" the guard and "opening" the guard. For example, I will open my guard all day because my game is better from open guard than "closed for dear life" guard.

    Thus, opening serves almost no purpose when fighting someone who excels in an open guard game.
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