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  1. MEGALEF is offline

    Still digging on James Brown

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    7/13/2006 12:36am


     Style: BJJ & Judo (1k)

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I used this to pass quite often. The only problem I have with it is to make them open the guard. Can't seem to find good leverage anywhere. JohnnyS and Yrkoon, any tips for this?
  2. pauli is offline

    i keep tryin to spar, but nothin happens!

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    Posted On:
    7/13/2006 1:37am

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     Style: karate / bjj

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    so, as a submission, this is a kimura from inside guard?
  3. MrMcFu is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I always thought of it as a kind of "reverse kimura" from the guard. It works better as a guard passing tool rather than a submission, imho, since the their are several variables that can happen once the person opens guard.
  4. WhiteShark is offline
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    1% Shark is better than you.

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    Posted On:
    7/13/2006 7:59am

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     Style: BJJ/Shidokan

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Once you get "duped" into this would you be better off opening your guard and rolling to your side?
  5. MrMcFu is offline

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     Style: BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    For example
  6. MrMcFu is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    which then of course sets up . . .
  7. Method2Madness is offline

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    Posted On:
    7/13/2006 9:11am


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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    So this is a legit move. Thanks for the reply's guys. This info is going strait into my note book.
  8. GoldenJonas is offline

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     Style: BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    yes it is a legit move, a bit gimmicky (although it is used often with success so it takes it out of the "n00b one use wonder" catagory), but an often used move in the no-gi context. I've used it and had it used on me as a guard pass. Never been submitted with it though.

    The only way I can see it work as a submission is if you "hold guard for dear life" and refuse to open and move, or if you skip your hips the wrong way.

    Also, I'm referring to the link posted by Gypsy as my referrence for the technique you are talking about (http://grapplearts.com/Guard-Pass-Arm-Behind.html).
  9. Wynergy is offline

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    7/13/2006 10:26am


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    Megalef, I'm not sure if it's frowned on at your school, but my "kiddie pool" buddies and I make vicious use of our elbows and digging them into legs, in no Gi I imagine by levering against a hip, since the short shorts don't really hold well. There's some godawful nerve, ligament, something or other on the inside of the knee that hurts like the fires of hell when you have an elbow grinding into it. The only other thing that seems to work, at least on newbies, is to grind down into them with your weight framed. I definitely break my guard open to lift them off of my body when this occurs.
  10. UpaLumpa is offline
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    Wynergy,

    For that post you should be sent to gitmo.
    Grinding your elbows into their thighs is stupid and the pain is lame. What happens when you do this to more experienced students?
    Do you grapple with experienced people?

    Here's what happens: They frown at the noob who thinks that actually hurts enough to mean ****. Then they sweep you. Then the tap you by going to KOS and driving your sternum to your spine (at least thats what I do).

    Learn to open the guard properly, what you're doing is ineffective against people that know how to grapple.
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