Done some crappling and pseudo-wrestling at kung fu tonight

**MartialArtN00b** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 10:38am

I never realized how crappling was bad until yesterday.

Person gets in with a couple years of experience in poor grappling. And with a bit than a month experience, it was... well you can guess the rest.

If you do kungfu, itd be more easier if you guys focused on stand up grappling which does belong to any kungfu system.

Not that it means much as a good judoka will destroy you (as I was shown/ but then i never really practiced it hard either).

But hey at least, if you guys manage to get sanshou rules going on in sparring, it might be something.

How long are you willing to travel?

**Phrost** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 11:15am

Learning to defend against grappling without actual grapplers involved is pointless. You might as well train to defend against orcs and ogres while you're at it... at least that would be somewhat less embarassing because you could write it off as intentional LARPing for fun.

**Cormoran** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 11:49am

What exactly constitutes crappling?

Every now and then when we spar we'll do a bit of grappling, nothing actually gets taught we just roll.

I'm not sure as to it's purpose aside from having a bit of fun with our usual sparring but it teaches me one thing every time we do it: i need to learn to grapple.

Last week sparring involved takedowns, this allowed the 13 year old to tap me out TWICE. If it wasn't so funny i'd cry.

**Dirty Rooster** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 12:17pm

Originally Posted by Cormoran

Last week sparring involved takedowns, this allowed the 13 year old to tap me out TWICE.

Hey Cormoran, how did that happen? He is thirteen!!
I'm keen to hear the details man ...

**Cormoran** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 12:44pm

I'd be able to explain it if i knew how to grapple i guess, but then i wouldn't need to explain it because it wouldn't happen. I'll give it a try anyways.

First time he took me down and basically choked me out. second time i took him down and he got a lock on my right arm.

I did learn not to try takedowns unless i know what to do once down. So it wasn't a total loss.

**ojgsxr6** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 12:44pm

Originally Posted by Cormoran

What exactly constitutes crappling?

This is the general consensus:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ight=crappling

**Cormoran** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 12:47pm

thanks ojgsxr6, apparently my search-fu is as bad as my grappling.

**Stick** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 12:54pm

Originally Posted by FictionPimp

I still give up the mount to kimura. I step to side control while I'm cranking it. It helps keep them from defending and keep my own body out of the way.

Yes, but I assume you know what's going on. N00bs should not surrender mount for a kimura, just shift the opponent's arm or change attacks.

**FictionPimp** · Posted On: 7/06/2006 1:51pm

I wouldn't say I know whats going on. It was suggested to me by a purple belt, I tried it, it worked, I use it :-) Plus, (and yes I know this is lame) In competition if I slide to side control to attempt the submission and fail, I can go back to mount and half the time get points for taking the mount. Its not position jumping because I lost position while attempting a submission. lame, but dems the breaks.

I'm just comming up on a little over a year judo and 6 months bjj training.