Final Report: Systema-

**kiai_killer** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 9:57am

Originally Posted by Cullion

According to ICY and others, there is some decent Systema out there. I just want to see it out of interest. You'll not find me defending emotional therapy by striking or anything like that. I'm trying to find out if it's mainly Mikhail who does this stuff. Maybe I missed something in this thread, but I've not heard or seen examples of the same kind of nonsense from Vlad or his brother.

Yeah, it is mainly Mikhail who takes on the role of corpulent comic, but Vlad certainly puts out some cringers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPO_MZvCI_I

Did I post any of his comb techniques? I don't think I did. Maybe I'll save those for the next systema thread!!

**Cullion** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 10:00am

Originally Posted by kiai_killer

Yeah, it is mainly Mikhail who takes on the role of corpulent comic, but Vlad certainly puts out some cringers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPO_MZvCI_I

That was just.. bizarre.

Did I post any of his comb techniques? I don't think I did. Maybe I'll save those for the next systema thread!!

Comb techniques ?

**kiai_killer** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 10:23am

Originally Posted by Cullion

Comb techniques ?

Yup, self-defence with a comb. How else do you think he kicks ass when he doesn't have his glasses or cap on? Ahh, I just remembered, there are some wrist watch techniques too!

**Cullion** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 10:24am

You're kidding me ? no really, you're kidding me ?

**kiai_killer** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 10:30am

Originally Posted by Cullion

You're kidding me ? no really, you're kidding me ?

I jest not, friend.

**Cullion** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 10:39am

Everybody who wants to see this raise their hand. <raises hand>

**kiai_killer** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 10:57am

Originally Posted by Cullion

Everybody who wants to see this raise their hand. <raises hand>

You'll wish you hadn't afterward. I'll dig them up and post 'em later if I can be bothered to go through it again.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 11:29am

Uhhh wow. Hat vs. Gun and Sunglasses vs. Knife.

Yeah they need to take that **** out.

Comb techniques what next?

**Kungfoolss** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 12:46pm

Originally Posted by Cullion

I say authentic because the Systema people that Karl Tanswell made to look stupid apparently aren't recognised as proper Systema by the practitioners posting here.

Well, for every instance we can point to systema's BS, there's going to be a ready excuse to counter the truth. That is to be expected with cultists.

Well yeah, but I've also read a few positive reports about Systema people being able to grapple and spar from Bullshido members who are known to do non-bullshit training. So it sounds like there a few systema groups out there doing stuff which Bullshido members would recognise as good, and it would be interetesting to see it.

Remeber, RobP went up against a wing chun beginner that had zero grappling experience and nearly got choked out. RobP boast 30-years of martial arts experience while his throwdown opponent had virtually none but was still able to take RobP down and almost submit him. What does that say about "real" systema they keep telling us about?

**Kungfoolss** · Posted On: 8/20/2006 1:01pm

Originally Posted by kiai_killer

Some of them may be able to fight at a decent level, they may do hard sparring - but it's all the extra BS that gets my goat. I would feel the same way if eg. the coach of a top MMA team started spraying out the same style of stupid. I certainly wouldn't go train at their gym! It doesn't matter if they can fight well, I'd rather not support the proliferation of BS in the martial arts.

The mind of a systema cultist is an interesting one. Fact of the matter is, they can't agree on virtually nothing if it conflicts with their faith. They want us to see all these videos of systema, but the minute we mock and laugh at them, then we don't understand what we're watching and must attend a session of brainwashing to see things their way. Other purists will discount the videos altogether and insist attending seminars are the only way to experience systema in person. However, if an individual such as Karl Tanswell calls BS and steps up and disproves the validity of systema, then the systema instructor is then labled as not a reliable systema source (although Vlad's videos are sold on his website). Whenever the mystical and psychic aspects are questioned, they are excused as having being misunderstood by the general public or are said to have never been experienced ever by students even though the footage of 'Beyond the Physical' is everywhere on the net.

It's plain to see systema requires the same cult-like mentality as any other religious zealot group, deductive and critical reasoning is obviously a foreign concept to these hopelessly deluded individuals.