Thread: Final Report: Systema-
8/09/2006 8:34pm, #371Originally Posted by kiai_killerKungfoolss, Scourge of the theory-based stylists, Most Feared man at Bullshido.com, and the Preeminent Force in the martial arts political arena
8/09/2006 8:38pm, #372Originally Posted by DdlR
Do the moves in beyond the physical actually possible?
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: Do the moves in beyond the physical actually possible?
Can you really stop an assault by not touching your opponent? Anybody know from experience?
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Yeah, Brad -- but then you have that whole police investigation thing to deal with..LOL.
Mr. Drake, yes there are a number here that 'know from experience'. Myself included. I have recounted the instances before - and need not do so here in detail. At work > attacked by a violent individual > who wound up 'throwing himself' down a stair case. No contact. His rage caused him to track my hand as a target - until he went far off balance and fell. Written report refused by supervisory staff - "Nobody would believe this ****"! (You cant have a 'use of force' report - when you actually use no physical force.) Attackers statement reflected that he did not know why he fell. Only one of a number of times I have had 'no contact work'...WORK!
As an afterthought, I want you to understand that one need not be a Vladimir or Misha to do no contact work. Know also that this type of 'work' is not staged -- the recorded work happened in real time. If you knew the guys getting bounced by Misha, as I do; you would also know they were not 'tanking'...the n/contact looks impossible, but it is something one has to experience. Seeing may not always be 'believing', but getting dropped to the ground (or tossed down a flight of stairs) by this method - is very much a convincing experience. I would not worry about it though, lotsa Systema to do before you start n/contact-ing partners...and even more before you can rely upon this in real world use.
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8/09/2006 8:42pm, #373Originally Posted by kiai_killerKungfoolss, Scourge of the theory-based stylists, Most Feared man at Bullshido.com, and the Preeminent Force in the martial arts political arena
8/09/2006 8:57pm, #374Originally Posted by kiai_killer
8/09/2006 9:01pm, #375Originally Posted by DdlR
I call Bullshido on both points.
Please provide your documentation which substantiates your boxing blindness theory and your choke theory.
(Before you put your foot in your mouth further on the second one, I already know the source of the choke theory. it comes from a disgraced racist police comissioner explaining why blacks died more often when they had the "sleeper" hold applied.)
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8/09/2006 10:50pm, #376Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
The general choke risk is particularly high for people who are subject to cardiac disorders and hypertension, but obviously any carotid artery choke can be fatal if it's held for too long. However, the fact that it's possible doesn't make it probable, which was my issue with what Ryabko was translated as having said.
This is rather like saying in short-hand that carotid artery chokes "are lethal"; they can be, and there are some people who are at a far greater than average risk of being killed by a choke hold because their arteries don't re-open properly once the hold has been released. However, that doesn't change the fact that most people can receive a carotid choke and recover without any major trauma.
Another possible cause is carotid atherosclerosis, which is basically a build-up of plaque within the carotid arteries. Again, external constriction can cause the plaque to fragment and travel to the brain, which can cause a stroke.
See http://www.marfan.org/nmf/index.jsp for an overview of Marfan Syndrome and
http://www.med.nyu.edu/fgpvascular/c...s/carotid.html for carotid atherosclerosis.
One of the best surveys of the risks of MA choking techniques is that produced by Dr. Karl Koiwai - http://www.bjj.org/articles/971006-choke/ . He makes the very valid point that there is not a single record of death by choke/stranglehold in the history of competitive judo, which says much for both judo's safety/medical screening procedures and for the safety benefits of controlled choking. He also lists a number of fatalities during police takedown and restraint procedures, often exascerbated by the victim's drug use, medical history, positional aesphyxia, etc.
"Boxing blindness" etc. - I'm running out of time, but see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinal_detachment with reference to the risk factors associated with extreme myopia (the connection between cranial shock and retinal detachment is debated by doctors) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_pugilistica .
Or just punch a solid target with correct alignment, or jump up and down with stiff legs, landing on your heels, until you get a headache.
Like I said, I think that Mr. Ryabko was hypothesizing and that it would be an exaggeration to say that these effects are common, let alone inevitable.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a plane to catch!
8/09/2006 11:07pm, #377Originally Posted by Kungfoolss
8/10/2006 12:36am, #378
Originally Posted by Kungfoolss
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8/10/2006 2:15am, #379Originally Posted by Cock Wrangler
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8/10/2006 4:42am, #380
Originally Posted by Kungfoolss
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Have to agree with Kungy on this one. A good boxer is relaxed when he strikes. I have had people say that boxers are too aggressive etc. A decent one will be totally relaxed, calm mind, breathing correctly (outbreaths) any aggression will be controlled. You will not last long if you are not. There is some confusion about boxing strikes. If you dont believe go to a professional boxing gym, not a mixed martial art centre and observe. Not sure why there is so much confusion about it? Boxers use a wide variety of punches, jabs, upper cuts, hooks, staight punches.