Thread: Final Report: Systema-
8/26/2008 11:31am, #1361
What sort of standardization do you have in mind?
8/26/2008 11:39am, #1362
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Personally I love the lack of standardization.
8/26/2008 1:34pm, #1363
Like "Open Classroom" elementary school? LOL!
8/26/2008 2:22pm, #1364
Originally Posted by DdlR
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8/26/2008 2:56pm, #1365Originally Posted by Jfeygin
My own teacher Matt Powell train with Kadochnikov and his top students in Russia and has professed that Kadochnikov's two top students were better even than Mr. K. From what I've hear from other sources Mr. K has recently grafted a made up history on to his style making it more esoteric than it already was.
Honestly if you wanted to see and overview of what Kadochnikov system like your best bet is to get in contact with Matt Powell www.pramek.org (I'm the handsome devil who is getting his head twisted around on the main page). What he teaches it pretty straight forward and people pick it up pretty quick. I don't know what part of the country you live in but it might be worth checking out.
8/26/2008 3:10pm, #1366Originally Posted by EricH
Don't get me wrong, I do too, but a lot of the newer guys seem "lost" a lot of the time. I remember this one guy who spazzed out on me while we were doing slow/compliant drills and threw me into a wrestling cradle with a face that said "I just stuck my finger into a light socket!" It jarred me out of my focus so suddenly that I started laughing hysterically. He gawked at me for a second or two as I was cackling with my own knee in my throat, then sheepishly let me go.
To guys like him, what we do makes little sense at first. It's not very nice to expect people like him to take to learn to swim in "the deep end." It's a shame too - he seemed to need the training really bad, but he didn't come back after that class.Originally Posted by Cullion
8/26/2008 3:45pm, #1367
I hear you. IMO it's growing pains; my theory is that Systema was originally intended for people with extensive prior training in other styles, or as a long-term commitment. There isn't a lot of provision in there for complete beginners who are probably coming in with the straightforward desire to learn self defense.
I really think it would help if Systema people could articulate how the training works in a way that's understandable to "outsiders". Since I've been training regularly at one school, I've seen a bunch of people become baffled after taking a single class and never come back. IMO if the instructor(s) had taken the time to explain *why* certain exercises are done, many of these folks would now be getting a lot out of the training.
8/26/2008 4:21pm, #1368Originally Posted by DdlR
From what I gather based on that exchange is that Spiridinov had always intended for his style to be taught as a combative martial art with no prior training necessary. It also seems that the main source for his style was a German style of Jujitsu. It is a pretty good read and Scott addresses some of the finer points of it's history.
8/26/2008 4:50pm, #1369
Perhaps the founders of Systema ran with a particular sub-set of SAMOZ drills/concepts and elaborated them into a new pedagogical approach. There was obviously a major shift in emphasis at some point, away from the kata/waza of jujitsu and towards improvisation.
Thanks for the link.
8/26/2008 5:08pm, #1370
I'm with DLDR on this one. I can still remember my first day of Karate as a child. I was taught the horse stance, the fighting stance, and the reverse punch. I can say with absolute certainty that if the instructor had made us do placement and sensitivity drills I would have been mad as **** and cried in the car on the way home.
Until you have experienced those odd moments where you break someone's jaw with a lazy hook, choke on your own nerves and completely lose control of a fight, and begin to realize the futility of "proper form," you will not appreciate systema.Originally Posted by Cullion