6/30/2006 9:02pm, #11
Bores the **** out of me, too. Unfortunately SD pays the bills. It's what people want.
6/30/2006 9:48pm, #12
Rolling around with your buddies mimicking what you've seen on UFC deserves to be mocked as crappling.
Bringing in an accomplished instructor to instruct you in a range of combat that you've neglected is necessary, and I dare you to find someone who's not an idiot derinding it.
6/30/2006 10:04pm, #13
For what its worth, it was the Gracies, not BJJ that "revolutionized" the modern martial arts world. And that was thanks to a good system, and their control of the UFC and carefully chosen competitors in the first rounds. Credit does need to be given to them for this. But there is little question that the early UFC's were definitely stacked to ensure that Royce would most likely win. That doesn't take away from BJJ's dominance. But to claim that they were objective or that Royce fought any comperable grapplers (with the possible exception of Severn) is going a little far. They have a great product and made the right steps at the right time -- and credit should be given for that.
As far as the overall quality of BJJ schools, there's no question that things have stayed really good. Though, sadly, I'd give it a few decades and I expect that much of BJJ will be mired in the same mess as other martial arts. Especially as the Gracie family fractures and moves in different directions.
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6/30/2006 10:23pm, #14
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I deleted my post but since you responded to it, it looks a bit strange on its own.
I think one of the best things about BJJ is it's willingnes to steal liberally from whatever works (sambo/wrestling/even catch) instead of getting all hung up on lineage.
Rolling around with your buddies mimicking what you've seen on UFC deserves to be mocked as crappling. Bringing in an accomplished instructor to instruct you in a range of combat that you've neglected is necessary, and I dare you to find someone who's not an idiot derinding it.
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6/30/2006 10:27pm, #15Originally Posted by Meager
6/30/2006 10:39pm, #16Originally Posted by Meager
6/30/2006 10:39pm, #17
BJJ, and the UFC especially, saved American martial arts. It started the idea that MAists should have to prove the bullshit claims they were spreading.
This was not a problem in some other countries from what I have heard. There are badasses in Japan that admit that BJJ pushed much of the grappling to the next level. No shame in that.
It is not the end all but it does deserve a lot of respect.
I personally think that it has brought out the revival of Pankraton by way of MMA and began an explosion of subgrappling events. Anybody who doesn't nutride BJJ a little for changing martial arts doesn't appreciate where they would be without it........
That being said, the Gracies are full of ****........Thank God their relationship with grappling is better than their relationship with the truth.
6/30/2006 11:02pm, #18
**** all of you!!!!!!!!
UFC, The Gracies and BJJ pissed me off!!!!
I used to choke every fucker out and throw their asses, now everybody knows those fucking maneuvers. I hate them I hate them I hate them.
7/01/2006 3:49am, #19Originally Posted by Matt Bernius
For UFC 1 they got a grappler from the only other MMA promotion in the world. Guys like Pardoel and Lenninger were highly accomplished grapplers. Where are the statements from SAMBO specialists that they tried to sign up and were turned away?
7/01/2006 4:07am, #20Originally Posted by Phrost
The minority ? Not so.
There where still loads of good martial arts to train in before Brazilian Jiu Jutsu made it big on the scene.As far as grappling goes there was lots of Judo and Greco Roman/Freestyle wresltling for one. As far as striking goes there was still boxing,muay thai, full contact karate etc. The same as today.
Brazilian Jiu Jutsu made everyone realise how important groundfighting is. But BJJ contains nothing new and those who where already sold on grappling knew they where on a good thing.
The MOST important thing to remember is that BJJ does not have a copyright on grappling and self defense like people here advocate it does. Other grappling arts like Judo/wrestling/Sambo trained well can be just as effective.Hannibal: The sworn enemy of dishonest politicians, source of entertainment on Bullshido and newly appointed Office Linebacker. Terry Tait ain't got **** on me !!!!