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    Toe kicks are an injury waiting to happen. Knock them on the head while you're doing hard sparring. Actually just knock them on the head altogether.
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    Ball of foot kick > Toe kick

    You can do most of the toe techniques with the ball of your foot instead. Especially inner thigh kicks and liver kicks.
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    I used to do ball of foot kicks. They worked great on making a chambered kick actually hurt someone. Find a savate gym if you want toe kicks ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark
    Ball of foot kick > Toe kick

    You can do most of the toe techniques with the ball of your foot instead. Especially inner thigh kicks and liver kicks.
    We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I used to train ball of the foot kicks only, for many years.

    After having been kicked in the inner thigh with just the tip of the toes by any of my senpai, I would say that I would rather be kicked with the ball of the foot vs a toe kick any day.

    Note: As mentioned in the link to toe kicks that I posted, it takes many years to condition the feet to do a toe kick full force without injury. Or you could just wear shoes.
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    Wooden Savate shoes? It would be interesting to see the outcome of a thigh kicking contest between a local MT instructor and one of your instructors Sfe. Toe vs Shin. The battle for the thigh.

    I don't think I've ever been toed in the thigh before but I've caught many many shins to the thigh. My one concern is have you ever shin checked one of your senpai's toe kicks? or even elbowed one if you throw a roundhouse like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolinz
    My one concern is have you ever shin checked one of your senpai's toe kicks? or even elbowed one if you throw a roundhouse like that.
    Exactly! Or better yet a good hard intercepting knee check...
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    Wooden Savate shoes? It would be interesting to see the outcome of a thigh kicking contest between a local MT instructor and one of your instructors Sfe. Toe vs Shin. The battle for the thigh.

    I don't think I've ever been toed in the thigh before but I've caught many many shins to the thigh. My one concern is have you ever shin checked one of your senpai's toe kicks? or even elbowed one if you throw a roundhouse like that.
    Shin kicks are a whole other story. We use them too (like I mentioned, I lost my fight due to being nailed by an awesome shin kick).

    All I'm saying is that we do not kick with the ball of the foot (front kick, round kick, etc). For all kicks that you would think of using the ball of the foot we strike with the point of the toe instead.

    The inner thigh is sensitive enough for a quick toe kick to be able to do some real damage. For the outer thigh, a shin kick is definitely the way to go.
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    Not trying to be a dick, but I shin check inner thigh kicks too. What do you do about toe damage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark
    Not trying to be a dick, but I shin check inner thigh kicks too. What do you do about toe damage?
    Again, it requires years of body conditioning. Kicking a makiwara with just the tips of the toes, or standing on one foot and kicking down on the floor with the toes of the other foot, etc. This will build up the foot to be able to kick objects with less chance of injury.

    Don't visualize the toe kick to the inner thigh as the same motion as a muay thai shin kick. It's something that we use primarily for close quarter self defense. It's quick and focuses the short motion's energy into a small point, thus doing a bit more damage. I wouldn't consider it a sparring technique.

    Also, let me point out that I'm not any where near that level yet when barefoot. With shoes on it's another story.
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