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  1. G8 is offline

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    it might depend on who his instructor is, though-- Eddie Bravo & his progeny teach half-guard as the fundamental guard position, don't they?
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    In his book, Bravo explains that 1/2 guard is the nexus of his game b/c as a beginner it's easier to establish a 1/2 guard than it is to establish a full guard

    He says that as opponents pass your guard, oftentimes it's not that hard for you end up trapping a leg. At that point, why not know some technique instead of just seeing 1/2 Guard as a position you get stuck in for about 30 seconds on the way to being dominanted in side control etc. etc.

    Anyway - not here to say 1 way or the other what's right - in my (limited) experience, it's good to know to immediately pummel for underhooks and Lockdown the trapped leg. Before I saw Bravo's material, I had no clue you could do anything from 1/2 guard besides wait to be passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G8
    it might depend on who his instructor is, though-- Eddie Bravo & his progeny teach half-guard as the fundamental guard position, don't they?
    It's not a place for you to set up camp and have a tea party.
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    I wouldn't suggest that it is--but I've rolled with some Bravo students & gotten caught in that lockdown ****, & it can be pretty annoying.
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    The solution to lockdown is simple: Viscious crossfacing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark
    I am too stupid to know the positional hierarchy. I just find myself in positons that I have heard Paul talk about and try to maintain them or move to another more interesting one that suits my fancy.
    One of the things I tell people, because I was told it at some point, is that you should always be grappling with a goal.
    Sometimes that can be a reverse omaplata.

    At your stage (and really every stage unless you're focusing on particular weak points or submissions) it should simply be betterment of position.
    Don't **** around with half-guard sweeps or calf splices from underneath.
    If you find yourself underneath in halfguard get back to guard, escape out, get their back, whatever.

    Position, position, position.
    Last edited by UpaLumpa; 6/28/2006 4:40pm at .
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    Ok I guess I have to explcitly ask so that everyone can mock me...

    What is the positional hierarchy? And where does a halfguard game fit in?
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    If you're talking about old-school BJJ, it progresses from least dominant to most dominant (or vice versa). Starting from least dominant, it would be roughly:

    rear mounted
    mounted
    knee-on-bellied
    north-southed
    side-controlled
    pulling half guard
    pulling guard
    in opponent's guard
    in opponent's half guard
    in side control
    in north-south
    in knee on belly
    in full mount
    in rear mount

    more or less ... you might quibble about the exact arrangement. It's a rough reflection of the BJJ point system.

    I should add, traditional BJJ views half-guard as an intermediate position between full guard & getting passed--there are some sweeps & attacks from there, but it's generally regarded as an inferior position from which you should mostly be looking to replace full guard, as UL said above. Eddie Bravo teaches that half guard is a neutral position that's in many ways preferable to full guard (for the bottom player), and he bases many of his attacks from there.
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    As far as I'm concerned I look at half guard as half way to side control or their back rather than half way to getting passed.

    It should not be viewed as a passive position you're left to defend.
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