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  1. Sam Browning is offline

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    "it is that if someone, unprovoked, connects with two solid blows you are allowed to retaliate as if your life were in danger,. Least as I am to understand it."

    No one would write a law with such language in the United States so if you have a Tennessee appellate case you'll have to share. I doubt this "rule" exists, for example 150 lb man hits 300 lb bouncer with two solid blows which do no harm, does bouncer have the right to use potentially deadly force on the guy? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KZ2
    Okay, I was curious:

    In the U.S., under what circumstances of self defense (i.e., somebody is already in the process of physically attacking you or has shown imminent intent) are you "legally allowed" to use a knife to defend yourself?

    You know, the overwhelming impression I get is that a great deal depends upon who you are, what your sociological status is. Are you a woman? Are you a young man? What kind of job do you do? Do you have any history or reputation of violence or martial involvement.

    Were you drunk? Were you out late?

    Then there is the question of who you opponent is. Is he/she a good liar? What is their social status, job, reputation, caliber of lawer etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pl4zM4
    None. You're really not that bright are you.
    Is his sheen dulled by considerations of justice and morality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendelbot
    Is his sheen dulled by considerations of justice and morality?

    Morality is bullshit.

    Justice isn't possible unless you break the law as well. Through the law Justice is rarely achieve. Its punishment not justice.

    I decided I hate you.
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    Greetings.

    Wasn't there an article posted on bullshido a while back about a guy in the north east (IIRC) who was in a fight with two guys, killed one with a knife, and was sent to jail for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knave
    Greetings.

    Wasn't there an article posted on bullshido a while back about a guy in the north east (IIRC) who was in a fight with two guys, killed one with a knife, and was sent to jail for it?

    I don't know, link?
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    Greetings.

    That's why I wrote my post in the form of a question...Maybe I can dig it up on google.
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    Greetings.

    Here it is:

    http://www.courttv.com/trials/pring-...93004_ctv.html

    Story of a clerk going beyond self-defense according to the law:

    http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/4005988/detail.html



    I also found this gem:

    http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=361

    That's all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pl4zM4
    Morality is bullshit.
    Justice isn't possible unless you break the law as well. Through the law Justice is rarely achieve. Its punishment not justice.
    It's not really stupid to imagine that a more dangerous situation is, at least, a mitigating factor in the use of weapons. Nor is it particularly dumb to be skeptical of the legal opinion of folks on a martial arts forum, anecdotal evidence notwithstanding.

    As for asking in the first place, well, you might have been even quicker in passing judgement. (I'm kidding, you know.) ps. I do think that it is wise to warn people away from ignorant use of weapons, given the potential consequences. To say he was right to doubt the advice is not to criticize the merits of the advice.

    I decided I hate you.
    You decided to reaffirm a habitual attitude? Shocking.

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    In KY, according to a judge that rolls with us. You can pull a knife in the following situations. (as a rule of thumb)

    When you're gonna die.

    When the other guy has any weapon (bat, gun, knife, broken bottle, lava cannon, tank, etc)

    When you're obviously outmatched and gonna die (eg: 100lb woman vs. 250lb powerlifter)

    Then he went on to say...live first, worry about the law second.
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