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  1. ChanceDuBois is offline

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    Vertical fist vs normal fist

    Since switching to a vertical fist about 4 years ago I have noticed that I break my hand less often. Prior to that I sustained several knuckle fractures and a bennet fracture of the thumb along with a broken wrist. I have noticed no decrease in punching power with the vertical fist but find that I throw hooks less often.

    In addition to this I find the vertical fist makes switching to the clinch easier and find I am on the inside more often when it comes to clinch striking.

    My primary striking delivery system is a slightly modified western boxing approach with some elements of wing chun added. Has anyone else had any experiences with the vertical fist and if so what are your thoughts?
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    Why would a vertical first keep you from throwing hooks? Hooks are the only punch where my fist is vertical.
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    I prefer a vertical fist, it feels more natural. A horizontal fist sorta makes my skeletal positioning feel a little out of place. I feel I can punch faster with a vertical fist and my body movement feels more easily versatile. But then again, I haven't been training alive standup for some-time... and I'm a Bruce Lee nutrider!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolinz
    Why would a vertical first keep you from throwing hooks? Hooks are the only punch where my fist is vertical.

    Correct. Vertical for short range hook, horizontal for long range hook.


    Prior to that I sustained several knuckle fractures and a bennet fracture of the thumb along with a broken wrist... (snip)... slightly modified western boxing approach
    Then, honestly, you're doing it wrong. You're either not wearing proper protective gear (wraps + gloves) or your technique is sloppy. Actual damage like should only be happening in a fight, not in the gym unless you're screwing around.
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    I think you should train the way you fight.

    I used to hit the makiwara with a horizontal fist all the time. I never broken my hand because i was hitting correctly.

    Horizontal or Vertical correct form is the most important part.

    Although I don't train the vertical fist in general everytime I give it a try I feel like the lack of a karate style "twist" really takes some of my power out of it.
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    Honestly, I think I'd feel like a tard throwing a vertical fisted punch. I'd have to actually force myself to punch like that so it would be the furthest thing from natural. The only reason I throw the hook like that is because 1. Bicept > forearm 2. I don't want to break fingers when I miss.
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    Also now that I stop and think about it... if you throw a vertical fisted cross or jab your basically asking to be hit in the face. Usually if your tucking your chin and throwing these punches your shoulder and arm give you coverage against getting punched in the face. Try a vertical fisted cross or cap and you'll notice you lose a good deal of the coverage usually given by the shoulder/arm.
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    Most boxers use the vertical hook.
    http://images.google.com/images?q=boxing%20hook

    I still get horizontal when I throw at the end of my range.


    Also - this is really shitty. Don't do this.
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    I saw taught basically to hold your arm in one position (90deg angle roughly) and use your body to move the arm. Also, before you throw to lean the opposite shoulder forward a bit and duck a little (like you were dodging a blow sorta) and then twist your upperbody to throw the punch and pivot on your lead leg as well (for a lead hook).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceDuBois
    Since switching to a vertical fist about 4 years ago I have noticed that I break my hand less often. Prior to that I sustained several knuckle fractures and a bennet fracture of the thumb along with a broken wrist. I have noticed no decrease in punching power with the vertical fist but find that I throw hooks less often.

    In addition to this I find the vertical fist makes switching to the clinch easier and find I am on the inside more often when it comes to clinch striking.

    My primary striking delivery system is a slightly modified western boxing approach with some elements of wing chun added. Has anyone else had any experiences with the vertical fist and if so what are your thoughts?

    As I mentioned to you in another thread, my personal opinion is you stopped breaking your hand because someone finally got through to you it's a horrible idea not to have a tight fist and also when to substitute an open palm instead.
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