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    It doesn't work these days - sounding poor and working class is meant to empower you, for some reason. Oddly enough, English audiences prefer Scots news readers because they think they all sound 'posh', which is - having spent time in Glasgow and Edinburgh - hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    It doesn't work these days - sounding poor and working class is meant to empower you, for some reason. Oddly enough, English audiences prefer Scots news readers because they think they all sound 'posh', which is - having spent time in Glasgow and Edinburgh - hilarious.
    I work with a chap who's Scottish, but Oxford-educated. Perhaps a Brit could pick it, but I can't find a jot of Scots in in his accent at all.

    I did read an article on the shift in London accents, with the middle-classes appropriating the idiom of the working-classes and lower middle-classes. The pronunciation of 'book' in Sliding Doors is a good example (pronounced by a Yank, oddly enough). I can't vouc for the veracity of the article, but it sounds plausible enough.
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    He sounds like the sort of person who's picked up a BBC accent, like I have. It used to help you climb the social ladder. But right now everyone wants to sound like proles to show how, like, urban 'n edgy they are, but that's all dropped the moment they need to remind everyone how middle class they are.

    Social climbers with recieved pronounciation are seen as villains these days, mainly because they can and do move between the classes, which still freaks everyone out. Still, this proves UK English is probably the most diverse and mutable language there is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    Social climbers with recieved pronounciation are seen as villains these days, mainly because they can and do move between the classes, which still freaks everyone out. Still, this proves UK English is probably the most diverse and mutable language there is.
    Obviously you still have a clearer three-tier class system (even if the economic structures have shifted), but we have a similar dynamism of accent. As per usual, it is the educated middle-classes who are best able to move between groups of class and status. There is a certain amount of savoir-faire involved (which you don't learn at university), but education certainly aids mobility.

    Where I work, there are quite a few Oxbridge-educated chaps - they stand out very clearly from the Australians who have feigned class (particularly as the former have all sort of differenct accents, from broad Australian, to ABC, to BBC, to southern English). In other words, the fakers converge on a single annoying pretense, while the legitimately sandstone types diversify.
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    I thought Oz hadn't yet developed those tiers to such a degree - and hopefully wouldn't. Still, at least it seems you can get a job in the media there - CVs with no mention of Oxbridge often get binned by most UK papers/tv companies.
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    I thought Oz hadn't yet developed those tiers to such a degree - and hopefully wouldn't.
    We have several gradations of class and status, and lots of inequalities, but no trace of the feudal aristocratic system.

    Still, at least it seems you can get a job in the media there - CVs with no mention of Oxbridge often get binned by most UK papers/tv companies.
    I suspect it's less relevant to the media here. It helps for academia immensely, and with any 'cultural' forums (e.g. arts, literature, theatre), but the mainstream media retains a more middling bourgeois character. In Australia, the social networks formed in secondary schooling are particularly important.

    I would have thought that the Universaity of London would still have some clout, along with the other early red brick colleges and universities. They might not have opened their doors long before ours did, but they are bloody solid schools. I guess they don't have the 'class' (they are where the Oxbridge chaps go to specialise after a solid grounding in sandstone)...
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    You're right - there's plenty of good UK universities, and my research degree will (hopefully) be awarded by one of them. The only problem is, a lot of people abroad have not heard of them...

    ...At the other end of the scale, the University Of Westminster, a great polytechnic turned mediocre University, gets loads of foreign students, simply because of the name. It's all quite topsy-turvy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truculent Sheep
    You're right - there's plenty of good UK universities, and my research degree will (hopefully) be awarded by one of them. The only problem is, a lot of people abroad have not heard of them...

    ...At the other end of the scale, the University Of Westminster, a great polytechnic turned mediocre University, gets loads of foreign students, simply because of the name. It's all quite topsy-turvy.
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    Research degree in...
    ...Something called 'Cultural Studies' but in practice it's a combination of English and American Studies. Subject: Anglo- American Internet Journalism.

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    ...Southampton.
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    ...Something called 'Cultural Studies' but in practice it's a combination of English and American Studies. Subject: Anglo- American Internet Journalism.
    English Cultural Studies or American Cultural Studies? Translated: informed by Birmingham school of critical theory, or by Derridean poststructuralism?

    ...Southampton.
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