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  1. Askari is offline

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     Style: BJJ, Ju-Jitsu

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    Stefano Surace - 10th dan Botokukai

    Saw this over on MMA.tv but it falls high in the craptacular Jiu-Jitsu category.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBjvIqw2Uyo&eurl=

    According to his bio, http://www.cmi.univ-mrs.fr/~morin/lri/surace/
    Stefano Surace sensei holds the highest official Ju Jitsu grade in the world, recognized in Japan: 10th dan Menkyo-Kaiden, member of Nippon Seibukan.
    ... ... ...
    The Dai Nippon Butokukai was the Imperial Martial Virtue Association until the end of WW2. The best masters of the 11 most important Ju Jitsu schools were brought together there and were in charge of elaborating a synthesis of the most efficient techniques of each school.

    Particularly rational and structured, this "supreme method'' was only taught to a selected élite which refused to ensure its diffusion after 1945, for the sake of coherence with its Japanese traditional ethics.

    By an exceptional combination of circumstances detailed in Surace's book (available in French) "La plume et la main vide'', the last holder of this method is now Stefano Surace.

    This famous Italian journalist has decided to start teaching in order to preserve his knowledge and keep it as part of the universal patrimony.
    The guy is a journalist, and a great spin doctor as well. I love how he claims to have "intentionally" been admited to an insane asylum in order to "expose" it. Cant be that he is actually nuts.
    Stefano Surace, a retired journalist aged 69, was arrested in Italy last Christmas eve to serve a sentence of two years, six months and 12 days for offences that would not be considered a crime today. His Kafkaesque experience began when he returned to Italy from France, where he has been living for the last three decades, to visit his sick brother in Naples.

    Aware that he had some unfinished business with the Italian judiciary he went to the prosecutor's office in the town of Torre Annunziata to clarify his position. There he learned to his astonishment that he had been tried in absentia and sentenced without his knowledge by courts in Florence, Naples and Monza during the 1970s.

    Mr Surace is a colourful figure who combined a career in investigative journalism with the editorship of pornographic magazines. It has been suggested that he accepted the editorship of the erotic magazine Le Ore as a way of getting easy access to prison.

    Arrested and incarcerated for brief periods in 18 different penal institutions on charges of publishing obscene material, he used the opportunity to write a series of reportages on prison conditions, led peaceful prison protests and founded an association to defend the rights of prisoners and their families.

    On one occasion the enterprising investigator managed to get himself committed to a lunatic asylum in Aversa, demonstrating the ease with which sane people could end up being certified and the difficulties they encountered in getting out again. His report on the experience contributed to the ultimate abolition of Italy's asylums.
    Source for criminality: http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-14-2002-24435.asp


    The best part, I have to find him actually claiming this. But there are a bunch of second hand statements that the guy claims that Kano and Judo are fake.
    Last edited by Askari; 6/19/2006 7:08am at .
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't **** with me!"
  2. pauli is offline

    i keep tryin to spar, but nothin happens!

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    Posted On:
    6/19/2006 7:31am

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    why the **** does he include a blurb on dnbk history, and then nothing to indicate any connection to the organization?
  3. Doctor X is offline
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    ARGUMENTUM AD LATINUM DICTIONAIRUM

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    Posted On:
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    . . . because the Japanese just love to promote gaijin higher than themselves. . . .

    --J.D.
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    Posted On:
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    I smell sokeship

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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
  5. WhiteShark is offline
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    Posted On:
    6/19/2006 8:32am

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     Style: BJJ/Shidokan

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    Forget all the text. Watch that Youtube video. That is NOT the movement of a 10th dan. Watch the Mifune video on Google and tell me that guy is at the same level.
  6. HearWa is offline

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    Posted On:
    6/19/2006 8:58am


     Style: Sub-wrestling, mostly...

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    Sadly this is probably one of those JJJ schools that feel their skills are godly because there's two "JJ's" at the end of BJJ too. That reminds me of kung fu guys who feel their style is vindicated because of the questionable belief that all arts derived from it, or that since san shou fighters do well kung fu would do well.

    Trust me, there's a few of these JJJ guys where I live. I visited the class once and two things really flagged it as bs to me: one, they didn't "roll" as you grappler types call it and two the instructor told one of his younger students, "you know if you pay more attention you'll be the next Gracie or something." He taught us all the valuable skill of the Kia seconds before. I just found the juxtaposition amusing.

    I suppose I should save this for my own thread though.
    Last edited by HearWa; 6/19/2006 9:01am at .
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     Style: Gracie Barra Jiu Jitsu

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    he's freakign terrible, really terrible i didnt see one technigue that was reconizable. His sacrafice through was hidieous. This guy is a total joke, and everyone at the judo club would laugh this guy into submission.
    Eduardo "Why'd you stop."

    Me "I was kicked in the head by the guys sparring next to me."

    Eduardo "Ino what happened but i didnt say you could stop."

    Me "Um.. I guess I keep going."

    Eduardo "You dont stop until i say stop, you dont get tired until i say your tired, keep going."


    Originally posted by Ralek
    My cousin gave me some tapes of him doing tkd. I learned from those tapes. When I beat up an Akido instructor, and made him take rest breaks, I used TKD. I learned Bjj from watching ufc and pride and then I copied them and wrestled my cousin for practice. I choked him out and he tapped.
  8. Scrapper is offline
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    Posted On:
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    oh god...that video...my eyes...


    THE PAIN!

    Seriously, even the most compliant aikido drill was more realistic than that garbage. I have at least 2 6-year-olds in my classes who can take him.

    Awful. We are all diminished for having watched that.
    And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

    --Scrolls of Bujutsu: Chapter 5 vs 10-14.
  9. pauli is offline

    i keep tryin to spar, but nothin happens!

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    Posted On:
    6/19/2006 10:28am

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    http://www.surace-jujitsu.fr/ there's his site... in french.

    http://www.surace-jujitsu.fr/curricu...ano-Surace.htm has his dubiously numberous certs. i'm noticing that the only time the dnbk logo shows up is when he uses his own stamp on something. of course, using said logo *is* copyright infringement, but that rarely stops people (especially in france, these days).
    Last edited by pauli; 6/19/2006 10:43am at .
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    Posted On:
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    How can anyone take a class for a guy like that? I'm certain I can kick that guys ass and I haven't done anything, but scrap with my friends for the past 6 months.
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