Tellner and MJS Discuss Bow Finger Placement...

**tellner** · Posted On: 6/15/2006 3:34am

18m would be a long range for pistol shooting unless you're doing some of the really specialized stuff. 90m is just beyond the pale. "3-3-3" - Three metres, three shots, three seconds - is typical for gunfights according to the people who do and study it for a living.

As others have already pointed out the rear sight or Jim Cirillo's profile acquisition if you prefer that method just helps you align the firearm. Your eye will automatically acquire the target. If you keep the front sight in focus and aligned with the blur that is the target you won't waste time switching your point of view, which just gets harder as your eyes get older.

The pin sights and string sights (or the string itself) that some archers use fill the same function as the front and rear sights.

And drawing to the jaw or ear will only cause the string to slap you in the face if you're doing it Mediterranean style. No need to re-open that particular can of worms.

**MEGA JESUS-SAMA** · Posted On: 6/15/2006 1:32pm

Originally Posted by tellner

And drawing to the jaw or ear will only cause the string to slap you in the face if you're doing it Mediterranean style. No need to re-open that particular can of worms.

The only reason that's different is because your string oscilates opposite of the superior Western strings. Also, since you have to keep tension in the hand to keep the string in your grip, your release is inherently inferior.

man, the west is so fucking awesome.

**MEGA JESUS-SAMA** · Posted On: 6/15/2006 9:13pm

Western and Mediterannean are interchangeable, they both refer to the three finger release style. Tellner is a proponent of the inherently inferior thumb or "Mongol" release, which is crap.

Most people using the thumb release today use the endless loop strings invented in the West, but the difference is the way the string comes off the fingers. For right handed shootyers with a Western release, the string will first oscilate left, towards the face, then right. With a right handed shooter using the thumb release, it's the opposite, so the string clears the face. (Check out "The Release" and "The Bow Window" on this page).

Peeps are fairly recent, within this century, and are only legal on compounds. Recurve shooters just line up the string with a point on their bow, to keep the bow consistently aligned.

**tellner** · Posted On: 6/16/2006 2:00am

Je-zuss child. You really do have some serious neurosis going about "my style is better than yours" without any sort of context, conditions or what arena it is competing in.

Leaving your fetish aside for a change, take a look at the substance of what I said. If you're aiming with a sight picture rather than body indexing or similar you need to align the front of the weapon, the rear of the weapon and the target. Your eye isn't capable of focusing on more than one component at once. For a firearm it's usually target, focus on the front sight, use the rear sight or outline of the weapon to align. For a bow it can be target and various combinations of the arrow, the arrow and body of the bow and the string, with or without extra sighting equipment.

Slow aimed fire is different than point shooting or its stringed equivalent.

**MEGA JESUS-SAMA** · Posted On: 6/16/2006 6:20am

Originally Posted by Tellner

Je-zuss child. You really do have some serious neurosis going about "my style is better than yours" without any sort of context, conditions or what arena it is competing in.

In what context is the thumb release superior?

**tellner** · Posted On: 6/16/2006 2:23pm

Nano Kiddie Chan, you're still having trouble with the whole reading comprehension thing. If you'd care to address the actual answer to your question instead of arguing about whether it's better to finger your shaft with three fingers or a finger and thumb we might be able to discuss something about aiming firearms, which is how this all started.