6/15/2006 8:57pm, #51
Originally Posted by War Phalange
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6/15/2006 9:48pm, #52Originally Posted by Emevas
6/16/2006 4:25am, #53Originally Posted by Firebrand
I'm going to drop a huge bomb here... are you ready?
ok here goes...
Jiu-jitsu is not wrestling!!!
OMG! ROFL! RLY?
I get a little irked seeing some replies here saying "omg but wrestlers only do what comes natural" So Muay Thai people should start kneeing people in the head when clinching for a takedown? Yes the games are similar, but not insanely alike. And tell me, does a wrestler walk in off the street having never ever heard of BJJ? Does he suddenly discover submissions that very day and think "wow... I never knew you could choke people"?
Of course he doesn't you cocks. He's a wrestler yes, I get it. But being able to wrestle for pins does not mean you automatically turn into a freaking spaz in a place you have chosen to learn jiu-jitsu. You come there to learn jiu-jitsu not to **** people up to prove you're the man. You don't come there to win, the first fucking year you come there to lose and learn HOW to win in this new game which you hopefully think is really fun and interesting. That's what I thought when I started BJJ. Of course if you do it to be cool or do it because you think you should then you are just as well making a fool of yourself and wasting your time.
The problem is ego. Wrestlers are often (and note I'm not saying always and everyone and bla bla so don't give me any bullshit later) .. very often quite confident in their wrestling ability. Which of course they should be. But in Jiu-jitsu, while bodies are wrestling to gain position etc, you have to deal with submissions. Plain and simple. So let's say wrestlers are aware of that. That they might get submitted.. They don't want to. No fucking WAY they want to be submitted by a little **** like me for instance. And that's why you spaz you cocksuckers. Not because you are on super-ultra-wrestling-automatic-mode. Because your ego's feel a submission coming and can't take it. I know, I've felt it. But I've never been a wrestler so I just got owned and tapped because I felt helpless. Wrestlers don't feel helpless because they think this is their domain and being caught in a submission makes them pull out all sorts of spazing moves.
You may now proceed to call me an ignoramus or whatever you feel like. I'm just so tired of this insane "lol wrestlers > BJJ" **** that people have been spouting lately. It's two different yet similar methods of grappling which obviously compliment eachother.
I've had one of my most serious injuries (yes I have been injured LOTS of times compared to my very short period of BJJ.. and no it's not mine or others faults really, there have been accidents :( ) because of a wrestler spazing when I went for an armbar from guard. I DIDN'T fully extend because I saw him getting really nervous and trying to yank out time and time again after I could have finished him two-three times. When I let go and thought I might as well regain guard and go for a chross choke seeing as people usually understand chokes better than locks, he took the opportunity to grab my foot and crank on an improvized reverse toehold or what the hell I could call it. He was a lot bigger than be so he fell backward grabbing my foot, rolling over on top of my leg.. I didn't really see what was happening and thought "what the hell is he doi-AARGH!!"
He was real happy he got a sub on someone weighing probably 30kg's less than him who didn't murder him when he had the chance. I walked away with a fucked up ankle and even knee because he torqued it spasticly with all his might before I even had a chance to tap.
The moral of this story isn't that wrestlers are always like this, but that people are idiots. And that I fully agree with the OP even though his thread is an attempt to say wrestlers are ****, they do in my experience to a lot of crazy bullshit mainly because of ego. It's like they don't come there to learn, just to win with their wrestling and it pisses me off. I don't even know why I mentioned this. No "wrestling is the bomb yo" turd is going to give it a second thought.
The bottom line though is that you come to a BJJ place to learn BJJ, not to wrestle like in highschool. If you missed that little fact right there, you're an idiot. Thank you for your attention.More human than human is our motto.
6/16/2006 7:34am, #54
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What he said.
6/16/2006 7:35am, #55Originally Posted by War Phalange
i have to agree about the habit thing though. i had a bad habit of going for a MT clinch when i was starting judo, which always ended badly against anyone with some kind of judo skill. i got my ass kicked all round that place, it was great. probably didnt help that the very first time my instructor tried to take me down i punched him across the face and made him bleed :eusa_droo
6/16/2006 10:07am, #56Originally Posted by fanatical
In short, if you want to keep calm and discuss this, that's cool, I love good debate. But if you want to freak out and act like a flaming asshole about the subject, I can do that too. Your move, Kasparov.
6/16/2006 10:46am, #57Originally Posted by fanatical
6/16/2006 12:06pm, #58
Originally Posted by War PhalangeOriginally Posted by Osiris
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6/16/2006 12:34pm, #59Originally Posted by Ikken Hisatsu
Originally Posted by Samfoo
6/16/2006 1:20pm, #60
Originally Posted by drew-jitsu
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